So does this affect our ATAA award qualifiers also? All progeny need to have a class ribbon from an AKC show to be Eligible to earn points for their sire and dams. Or a written letter from a judge who has examined the animal which states no Disqualifying faults. Just asking. Can't have it one way for some awards and not others. Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up......... Donna Graham ~Adelhund Shepherds~ www.adelhundshepherds.com Where German Shepherds Are Simply The Best! -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:40 PM To: fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Performance & Confirmation Apples and oranges Cathy. The Board has moved to allow a dog with ANY DQ to receive a performance award at our national. We aren't talking about AKC awards, we're talking about PC awards. It is a sad day when the PC, which is supposed to be promoting excellence, allows top honors to be awarded to a dog w/ a DQ. Let me be clear; either accept the whites for everything or let them go entirely. I don't see why they should be in limbo. Also let me be clear; a dog can be a mixed breed and be a wonderful dog. We've probably all had them. A GSD can have a DQ and be an absolutely lovely dog. That doesn't mean they are a good GSD. They deserve a long and happy life. They don't deserve to be honored by the PC. As for your Reno grandson, a coat is not a DQ. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 2/8/2012 1:58:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Hi All; Allow dogs who are shown in Obedience be eligible for the GV award even if they have faults is should be totally acceptable. Dogs in performance are shown for their ability to learn and perform specific exercises, not based on the confirmation standard, it is not a beauty contest. Performance folks put a lot of time and energy training their dogs, so why should they not be eligible. I began my love of the sport with an ILP GSD in the late 70's, if any of you know who Flora Beckemeyer was, Sheba could have been her daughter. She would have never received a breed ribbon, but she was smart and a super worker. Since dogs and bitches that are altered are eligible for this award, why not any other GSD? If you want to compete in confirmation, you want a dog that is as close to the standard as possible. If you are competing in performance, you want good hips, elbows, temperament and brains, you are not looking at the beauty part. I have to be honest, I do not know of any other breed that would disqualify dogs from performance awards due to breed standard disqualifcations. By the way, my second Obedience dog, before I became involved in confirmation was a Reno grandson, who had his breed ribbon, so if I showed him at the National he would have qualified for the Obedience GV and guess what he was coated. He was double coated and got his ribbon at a small AB show. Cathy Kelstar fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx EarthLink Revolves Around You. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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