Well, it depends.... MOST of the time pano is accompanied by swelling (not always, but more often than not in my experience, and I have lots of experience, LOL). If there is swelling in the leg and not the elbow (or the pano is in the rear leg) no, I am not rushing off to do xrays. NONE of the vets here in Rome will xray without general anesthesia, and I will not put a dog under for anything less than a life/death emergency. I have lost three dogs to anesthesia, and almost lost two others. I don't do anesthesia if at all possible. (That is also why I don't do routine dental cleaning). Ginger Cleary "... more harm and misery have been caused by men determined to use coercion to stamp out a moral evil than by men intent on doing evil."-- Fredrich v Hayek My Ebay site <http://stores.ebay.com/The-Crafty-K9_W0QQssPageNameZl2QQtZkm> My Cafepress store <http://www.cafepress.com/thecraftyk9> Rome, GA http://www.rihadin.com/ -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Holly Woods Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:56 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Pano Just wondering when a lot of you say that your pup has pano... How are you determining it is Pano and not something worse like UAP or OCD. Are you x raying or just assuming it is Pano because of the age? Holly Woods ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================