My Nichole who has EPI had a TLI score of 1.5......... Amy Greenhut Justrock German Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises And Tortoise Rescue Board Member Last Hope Safe Haven http://www.lhsh.org Behold The Turtle. He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out A Quote By James Conant ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx, arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:48:05 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Pancreatic funtion just checking... The cTLI test. I had no idea what a normal reading for a GSD is, so here is what Chuck K. writes: "The level can be tested by most veterinary labs. The normal level is 5 to 35. I have tested many GSDs and have never found a dog over 9. Most are around 6, plus or minus 2 points." Under 2.5 is clinical EPI BTW, that I DID find online. I plan to start testing...wonder how often we should test...annually? Thoughts???? This would be for those of us who feel Toxic Gut is genetic. Two schools of thought...(a) yes it's genetic or (b) no, not necessarily genetic but the result of the same dogs over and over in a pedigree that can lead to a weakened immune system and a weakened immune system leads to a malfunctioning pancreas which in turn sets a dog up for toxic gut. Now if it IS genetic, what I can find says dominant with incomplete penetration, so it (only) needs to be on one side, a dog can pass it on but not be affected themselves....so testing....how effective???? But maybe it's a start. I honestly don't have the answer, and maybe I will be throwing money away, but heck, I have certainly thrown money away on a lot less important things.... Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 10/2/2012 4:16:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx writes: Do you mean the epi test or something else? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Sue Tomlinson <arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Does anyone know of breeders who are routinely checking pancreatic funtion > in thier breeding stock? thanks, Sue T > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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