Barbara, I know this topic is supposed to be about pigment, etc., however there is a much more important element to your post that I hope many who call themselves "breeders" will comprehend. The difference between you and many today is you had an "ideal" dog in your mind that is what you aspired to breed for. You breeding program created a discernable sytle of dog. Today, people call themselves breeders yet they have no goals past the immediate litter they are planning. I liken their breeding programs to playing darts blindfolded. They have to throw 100 darts before they hit the bullseye, and even then it was shear luck. In your post, you express they style of dog you like and it is reflected in your breeding program. Curvaceous, high whithered, rich pigment and good secondary sex characteristics. You bred only to dogs that you felt could maintain the traits you desired until your lines became dominant. Creating a discernable style of dog is why we have the LLoyd Brackett Award.Also successful breeders understand the need to go to the extreme to maintain balance. Successful breeders are smart enough to know where they need improvement and breed accordingly, while trying to maintain the good traits of their animals. Dog breeding is an art, some are gifted and other will always be paint by number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Amidon <amidon481@xxxxxxx> To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:15:51 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: P.R./ bad backs & rears & color I have always bred to a more extreme rear..I have gotten beautiful animals with great rears..If we continue to breed to moderate angulation you will end up with not enough rear or angulation.I usually have an animal with elegance..I will not breed to a dog with out good pigment..Most of my dogs are black and red (NOT DYED)with strong heads..This is how I feel..Now I dont mean to go to an over angulated dog either..That is why I loved the Waldesruh dogs very curvy with plush coats..CH. Bernd v Kallengarten had a great head dark pigment and a plush coat..Barbara on a great day ps. Look at the stud dog you are choosing What is he producing? Will he give you or keep your pigment? What is behind him? Is he a total outcross or tightly breed on GOOD SOUND LINES?Just because he is a BIG WINNER doesnt mean he will produce..I am lucky my breedings are linebred on excellant pigment and gorgeous style..So when I take my bitches I can outcross and still get the same type.......... ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================