In a message dated 11/5/2006 10:55:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cleary1414@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: The numeric limit is 26, but given that it includes every dog on your premises over the course of a year, whether you own it or not - well, that limit could affect many active exhibitors and breeders who are not commercial breeders by any stretch of the imagination. PA HAS required a kennel license (level 1 or K1) for anything over 25 (and yes, that included every dog on the premises, visiting bitches to be bred, even every puppy whelped counted as 1) for as long as I remember. It goes to level 2 at 51 dogs and so forth. The regulations are the same as the USDA regs (copied in fact) re kennel requirements, separate waste disposal, ventilation, etc. Don't believe me? Here's the act, last amended 10 years ago; _http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/agriculture/lib/agriculture/legalreference /doglawactof1996.pdf_ (http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/agriculture/lib/agriculture/legalreference/doglawactof1996.pdf) And if you don't want to wade through all that, here is a summary of fees from the PA Dept. of Agriculture: _http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/agriculture/cwp/view.asp?a=3&q=126794_ (http://www.agriculture.state.pa.us/agriculture/cwp/view.asp?a=3&q=126794) (When you have a kennel license, your fee for the license is actually much less, <$75 for K1>, than licensing each individual dog, and by sending a request to Harrisburg, you can obtain permission to do your own rabies vaccines, so actually, dollars and cents, you come out much, much better.) THE THRESHOLD FOR OBTAINING A KENNEL LISCENSE HASN'T CHANGED, although I suspect some people didn't know/don't play by the rules. What has changed is the PROPOSED formation of an "Advisory" Committee, which will be able to represent dog wardens in court, the potential for a usury bond requirement when applying for a kennel license (we went over this re. OH, probably $100) and the proposed doubling of cage size requirements (I guess if you house animals in cages). So, nothing has changed for the hobby breeders (under 25 in any given year). Now, IF the advisory committee is formed (and to date, it hasn't been funded), will people doing a little more than "hobby" be (caught and) regulated? Maybe. Is that a bad thing? I guess that depends. For years consumers and "hobby" breeders alike have been complaining about Lancaster puppy mills. It stands to reason, to me anyway, that those who are more than "hobby" and not quite "millers", however you define it, were bound to get caught in the net. (This is why I was never all that alarmed with the limits in PAWS, and probably why the PA Federation never came out against PAWS; the limits in that proposed legislation were far more generous than what was already on the books in PA.) So, Ginger, contrary to whatever list you pull this spin from, the sky isn't falling in PA <G>. The threshold where one would need a kennel license in PA isn't new. Now, reasonable people may disagree over the threshold, but they're 10+ years late. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================