Welllllll...were we worried about the pet buying public or the "breeder"? As has been mentioned the past few days, a thyroid test on a dog is a snapshot and can change. I'm not impressed. I have to tell you, if I bring a bitch to your dog and he can get her pregnant, or if you have a bitch you bring to my male who can get and stay pregnant without us having to say a Novena...fine by me. Then again, I've never dealt w/ thyroid issues, so maybe it's a bigger problem than I know. As far as hearts, I have puppies checked and adults are always checked (w/ an EKG) before anesthesia...so when I do hips/elbows...hearts are tested. I've never bothered to send the report in to the OFA. Bad me. DM tests? I'll wait until we are in agreement on which one works for GSDs. Never dealt w/ that either, thank God. As far as the pet buying public...I've done my share to educate. Someone else have a go at it...pu-lease!!!!! I had a fellow a few weeks back ask for a fax of a bitch's CKC registration and DNA certs on both parents because he couldn't "find" those things on line. True enough. Sometimes it's just easier to go along w/ the request...I hope he had a color fax on the receiving end for the pretty DNA certs, lol! In conclusion, if I am interested in a certain pedigree, I'll go to the BREEDERS, not a data base. Tell me what I should stay away from, what problems have cropped up, on occasion and w/ frequency. And so far, I've met real people w/ honest answers, willing to share their concerns. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 8/31/2010 6:04:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Scharo777@xxxxxxx writes: I was at the meeting where this was discussed. And there was a heated discussion about it. I am going to try to tell about it from memory. It seems: The standards that the GSDCA had set for CHIC were the highest of any breed. That also means it was the most tests to obtain and TO PAY FOR. Consequently the numbers of Goldens with a CHIC was in the thousands. While shepherds had earned less than 100 CHIC's. Now, that really looks bad, don't you think. The people looking at the statistics don't make the correlation that a GSDCA CHIC is harder to obtain. They jump to the conclusion that shepherds CANNOT obtain a CHIC. It you want to take someone to task, criticize the breeders who have not bothered to or could afford to obtain a CHIC. Just what I think Carol Moore In a message dated 8/31/2010 3:57:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Well, I have to agree with you here. The database, which actually meant something, has now opened up from the fifty or so dogs who 'se owners cared enough to do the testing to HUNDREDS. Not knocking all of you who actually do hip and elbows and the temperament test but the CHIC was SUPPOSED to be a breeder's referral database. Although I would have preferred to see the DM tests and other true genetic tests that do not change over time. I really expected more from the PC................<sigh> Suzanne ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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