So, the GSDCA cares more about "Now, that really looks bad, don't you think" than it cares about the health of our breed? That is incredible AND inexcusable, IMHO!! Money is NO excuse. If you can't afford basic, available health tests, why in the world are you breeding?? To let the rest of "us" take care of your screw-ups?? I am disgusted with people who breed bitches and/or stud dogs with TWO or more direct-line generations of bloat, dysplasia, DM behind them. How did we come so far; why did we come so far to still have these attitudes out there?? No one deserves such poorly bred dogs. Maybe 30 years ago it was excusable, but, this is 2010.....we HAVE tests and markers and records. My heart has been broken too many times by these issues. I have not bought, nor brought home a puppy in many years now. I protect my heart, to say nothing of my pocketbook, by not bringing home any dog not old enough for prelims, at the very least. Paula, 41 days and counting Home of Best in Show, Best in Specialty Show, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award Recipient, AKC JAM/AOE, International and American Champion, Grand Champion Asgard Harley Davidson v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows, Cardiac, & Thyroid), DNA tested clear of the long-coat factor. #1 Male German Shepherd Dog in the Country, #4 German Shepherd Dog in the Country, as of 7/31/10 (Canine Chronicles) First male German Shepherd Dog Grand Champion. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx To: tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx, pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Opinion on the Lowering of the Requirements for OFA CHIC Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:57:59 EDTI was at the meeting where this was discussed. And there was a heated discussion about it. I am going to try to tell about it from memory.It seems: The standards that the GSDCA had set for CHIC were the highest of any breed. That also means it was the most tests to obtain and TO PAY FOR. Consequently the numbers of Goldens with a CHIC was in the thousands. While shepherds had earned less than 100 CHIC's.Now, that really looks bad, don't you think. The people looking at the statistics don't make the correlation that a GSDCA CHIC is harder to obtain. They jump to the conclusion that shepherds CANNOT obtain a CHIC. It you want to take someone to task, criticize the breeders who have not bothered to or could afford to obtain a CHIC. Just what I think Carol Moore In a message dated 8/31/2010 3:57:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:Well, I have to agree with you here. The database, which actually meant something, has now opened up from the fifty or so dogs who 'se owners cared enough to do the testing to HUNDREDS. Not knocking all of you who actually do hip and elbows and the temperament test but the CHIC was SUPPOSED to be a breeder's referral database. Although I would have preferred to see the DM tests and other true genetic tests that do not change over time. I really expected more from the PC................<sigh> Suzanne ____________________________________________________________ 1 Tip for Losing Weight Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c7d817c7d3ea93ae05st05duc ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================