Sorry, Terry, but you have it the wrong way round. The GSDCA adapted the test, with permission, from the Doberman Pinscher Club of America Working Aptitute Certificate that was developed by, among others, Vic Monteleone. Then the ATTS lifted the test without permission. I had the pleasure of having lunch with Vic Monteleone when he came to the Western Regional Council of German Shepherd Dog Clubs annual symposium back in the late 1970s. Vic explained the test and how it was developed for the Doberman club. While ATTS does the same group of tests, they are evaulated differently. And, sorry, but this test was NEVER meant to be an all breed test and is not appropriate for all breeds. Sue Mazzeo Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC Didn't the GSDCA pretty much steal the TC from the TT folks? Now it isn't good enough? Doesn't make sense to me. I have seen TC evaluators that I didn't think had a clue as to what they were doing. I think the CGC is probably a better test than both of the others. There is no way to teach to that test! Maybe all clubs should have there own CGC evaluator. Terry ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================