Sara, I don't speak for everyone, nobody has any right to do that. I just want to remind you that there are often more reasons for why things appear as they do. Speaking for myself, a non-breeder, dog-lover. My dog, Harley (please see my signature line for his "credentials" as an American-lines show dog, winning in the All-breed ring, the Specialty ring, and the IABCA ring), is totally mentally and physically sound, intelligent, strongly-bonded with me, and very responsive to me and my commands. He only wears a leash and collar because the law requires it; he doesn't need to. He reads my body language and heeds my words. He defends me ferociously when he deems it necessary; he has never been wrong and I totally trust his behavior and reactions in any and all situations. A Hemet PD K-9 cop said that he wishes he had Harley working with him instead of the Malinois he was assigned! High praise, indeed, eh? What more does anyone want in a GSD? That being said, I don't go farther with herding with him because I hate dirty, stinky sheep. I am claustrophobic and feel the same way with sheep clustered around me as I do in a CAT machine - sheer panic (no pun intended). I did no training for his CGC, nor for his TC, we just walked in the ring and did what we were told to do. I don't have the personal discipline to routinely train for Obedience, Rally, nor Agility, let alone Schutzhund work. I don't have the patience to sit around waiting for my turn in the working rings. It just doesn't matter to me that much. When I was younger I did obedience work and earned titles regularly. It does just not interest ME anymore. That should NEVER be any reflection on the breed, in general. Just because you don't see the titles you admire on any specific dog, does not prove that there is ANYTHING wrong with our dogs. Would I like an advanced working title on Harley? I would trade his BISS for a Schutzhund title, but, I can't. We do what interests us, what we can afford, what we are physically/mentally capable of with our wonderful dogs. A dog's titles should be NO reflection on our breed, in this Country. There is no requirement for a working title to attain a conformation title under the AKC. Don't condemn our breed, condemn me if you choose; I am VERY poorly bred, and, thankfully, sterile! I do not deny that there are serious health and temperament concerns, but, as someone else said, that is true in all breeds, in all countries. This is why we have selective breeding - to improve the breed. It is an ongoing process. As far as sloping toplines relating to hip dysplasia, I always remind people that the breeds with the highest incidence of HD are St. Bernards and other "square" dogs, right? Please understand that this is just my opinion. Harley's credentials are his, not mine; I have no credentials. I am just one very lucky person to have been given an awesome American Showlines GSD, my house pet and companion! I wish you much success and fun in your new-found hobby. The best advice I can give you is to keep listening to Sheree Moses; she is one totally classy lady who really KNOWS what she is doing and really loves all aspects of this breed and is always available to those of us who may require her opinion or assistance. Paula, 307 days and counting Home of BIS, BISS, Multi-Group Winning, AKC JAM/AOE, Intern'l & Am CH, Silver Grand Champion Asgard Harley Davidson, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows, Cardiac, & Thyroid),.1st male GSD Grand Champion. 2010 #1 GSD in California, Lifetime #1 GSD in Michigan, 2010 #1 GSD male in USA (AKC GCH Stats), 2011 Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show Invitee. 2010-2011-Lifetime AKC Eukanuba invitee. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================