Only s small group of White entusiasts want to separate - approximately 400 dogs in total to become the Swiss Berger (which if imported from Europe the AKC does registers as a GSD, colour white) The majority of the White GSD people want to stay as part of the breed At their National, they use the same standard, except that WHITE is not a DQ, for judging the dogs. In a message dated 2/9/12 1:43:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, pharaohsrevenge@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Actually, Evan, you have it backwards. There was never a united front to separate the whites. On 9 Feb 2012, at 17:05, ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: I only know what I was told. Everyone should listen to those who know something. I just repeat what I am told if it makes sense, or if Ed tells me. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================