[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Old Guard" and "Newcomers??
- From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: James Barnhart <jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 20:44:57 -0800 (PST)
What was the entry of the Amateur Futurity?
Terry
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From: James Barnhart <jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 8:41:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Old Guard" and "Newcomers??
The German Shepherd Dog Club Of Greater Eugene hosted an Amateur Futurity and
it
cost nearly nothing. Between the Futurity/Maturity and the two five points
shows the club made a shit load of money. The club now nearly has $5,000.00 in
the bank. We'd like to have the Futurity/Maturity every year and fully support
the amateur. Jim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Terry Cochran wrote:
> If the hosting of the Futurity includes hosting an Amateur Futurity you will
>see
> fewer and fewer clubs bidding on the shows. Do they really think that the
extra
> 7 to 8 entries will cover the cost ??? No wonder the PC is in deep shit
> financially.
> Terry
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Scharo777@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 1:34:10 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Old Guard" and "Newcomers??
>
> Hi Carol;
> I have certainly been verbal enough. I know you are not asking to hear from
> me again...and I guess I am
>
> also definitely "OLD Guard" as we started out very similar to you and Bob.
We
> handled against the
>
> 'big guns' also when we started....still would if we could run. But
> alas....those days are gone. <G>
> I understand if you want to continue with the Amateur Futurities....and you
>are
> the Chair.
>
> It is your decision.
> While it is not a "serious problem" for any of us .....whether we love it or
> hate it......What IS a problem is
> that you made it MANDATORY for ALL Clubs and members; even if they are
> adamantly against having
>
> an Amateur Futurity along with the "regular" Futurity in conjunction with
their
> Specialty Shows!
> Helping newcomers that we haven't even met yet .....or even know if they will
> compete at any Futurity.... or
> more than one.......while having no consideration for struggling Clubs that
are
> on the edge of 'folding' is the
>
> real problem.
> Since our Specialty Clubs pay dues to the Parent Club....it does seem like
they
> should be contacted
> and allowed an opinion or vote on this. Some will be all for it.....no
> problem......but what about those that
>
> are NOT??
> If our concern is that "our sport is dying".........consider, HOW will we
>even
> HAVE this sport if all our local
> Clubs fail??? How and who will encourage the newcomers then?? WHEN does
> the local Clubs get
> some major consideration in these decisions. AND if we lose the "old Guard"
> that are now keeping these
>
> clubs and this sport alive.......who will then bring in the newcomers??
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.Marhaven.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 06,
> 2011 8:38 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and Amateurs
>
>
> I get it.
>
> The Old guard does not like the Amateur.
>
> You don't hear much from newcomers, so you.?
>
> But since everyone is entitled to an opinion, at the urging of those who
> have entered the amateur, I will state my opinion and then go back to work.
> I have about 12 hours of "stuff" to do today for the Futurity System.
>
>
> Actually to me, the Amateur is a vehicle to try to attract newcomers into
> competition. They may have a
>
> good dog, but Want to show it themselves. Maybe they have heard all the
talk
> about politics (God Forbid
> )and don't want to get involved.
> When we started showing dogs back in the 70's, my husband wanted to show our
> own dogs. It took a long
>
> while to get good enough, maybe 5 years. I just wanted to hire a handler
and
> win. Loosing sucks with a
>
> good dog. But he persevered. HE personally finished our first champion and
> went on to finish about 6 more.
>
> But...he learned he himself was not competitive in the specialty ring. So
> there we had to hire handlers.
>
> Bob would LOVE to show in the Amateur today - but as a judge he cannot.
> My point being....our sport is dying. People today want to do activities
> themselves. See the surge in
> performance events. The amateur is an attempt to provide a venue for
> newcomers to participate and
>
> god forbid win. But with all the bad mouthing of it..all the complaints of
> it being a waste of time...Why would
>
> they want to enter???
> IF they win they are looked down on.What ever happened to "Encourage, don't
> Discourage"
> Carol Moore
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________
> From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx
> To: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx
> Sent: 3/6/2011 9:14:29 A.M. Central Standard Time
> Subj: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and Amateurs
>
>
> Actually to me, the Amateur is a vehicle to try to attract newcomers into
> competition. They may have a good dog, but Want to show it themselves.
> Maybe they have heard all the talk about politics (God Forbid)and don't want
> to get involved.
> When we started showing dogs back in the 70's, my husband wanted to show
> our own dogs. It took a long while to get good enough, maybe 5 years. I
> just wanted to hire a handler and win. Loosing sucks with a good dog. But
> he persevered. HE personally finished our first champion and went on to
> finish about 6 more. But...he learned he himself was not competitive in the
> specialty ring. So there we had to hire handlers. Bob would LOVE to show
> in the Amateur today - but as a judge he cannot.
> My point being....our sport is dying. People today want to do activities
> themselves. See the surge in performance events. The amateur is an
> attempt to provide a venue for newcomers to participate and god forbid win.
> But
>
> with all the bad mouthing of it..all the complaints of it being a waste of
> time...Why would they want to enter??? IF they win they are looked down on.
> What ever happened to "Encourage, don't Discourage"
> Carol Moore
>
>
>
>
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