Nicely said Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Caggra@xxxxxxx <caggra@xxxxxxx> To: ninemaplefarm <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 9:14 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Ok..last thing Hi Sara, As it would appear you tend to do, I used to view the world in only black and hite. It's either this or that. This is either true or it's fiction. As an A" personality I still struggle with this some in life, my job, etc. Your erception is your reality. Unfortunately, that does not always equate to real ruth. And it takes some practice & humility reconciling that sometimes. "But, judging by the posts and private e-mails (with the exception of a few), it would appear that the breed has zero problems nd everyone outside of the GSD world (and myself) are nuts." I read most of the responses to you and I did not read a consensus that the reed has zero problems. I am very certain that most breeders, exhibitors, and andlers in the GSD world would certainly each give you a list of issues within he breed. I also do not believe any breed is without issue (whether health, emperment, etc.) Breeding is just as much art as science, but there are no uarantees. You breed dog A to dog B with the intentions of getting C, but you et something completely different sometimes. Even very experienced and uccesful breeders will tell you this. Yes, some will lie to you. Some will ide the issues in their lines. Most will be up front though. And I don't elieve the GSD community has a monopoly on issues, untruths, etc. We are just slice of society. There are many good people in our breed and hopefully you ind your path to one who you can work well with. Just remember that more times than not the truth lies in the middle and as with ust about everything in life you have to be able to view situations, problems, nd disarray in shades of gray and make the best decision possible for you. Best, eff Jeff Pyle indfall -----Original Message----- rom: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx> o: DaList <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:50 pm ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Ok..last thing ell, this has certainly been quite educational for me. I can't say whether it s been good or bad. But, judging by the posts and private e-mails (with the ception of a few), it would appear that the breed has zero problems and eryone outside of the GSD world (and myself) are nuts. can see with my own eyes how loose the hind legs are and how the dogs can't lk normal. So, you can all tell me that I am nuts and they would make the eal herding dog but I don't buy it. I have to agree with everyone that has proached me about this GSD condition. It's not ok. If this is what wins in e AKC and is the only thing than I am not interested. I can't do it. My first D as a kid (an unregistered white) didn't look like this and he was athletic, und, and healthy. As I start to show my GSD puppy, I was hoping that this look sn't required but every year that goes by I see it more and more. I just n't know why. wanted to express my frustration over hearing all the negativity from outside e GSD world (which I agree with) and the fact that I have had experienced eeders tell me that they can't get majors on their dog as it's too political. , if they can't do it how will I ever be able to do it? Will I have to be in e breed for 50 years before I can finish my own dog? aybe all breeds are like this. I don't know. I don't care as I only care about breed. o, sorry I bothered everyone trying to understand why this is all happening in e breed and how it will effect me showing my dog. I truly find it upsetting. t, I guess it doesn't concern the majority of people. ikewise, I suppose over the last 3 years I must have also been blind witnessing he poor temperaments in the ring. don't know. I want to have thick skin but at the end of the day..I just don't ed the stress. I don't. Why does it have to be this way? aybe the GSDCA isn't the right fit for me (which stinks as I am a new member d just joined a local GSDCA club). I am still shocked at bring called "smug" d hearing "this breeder sells her good dogs but wouldn't to you". Blah-blah. I n't like being called a liar either. Why is it important what other people ink about the breed? Maybe because where there is smoke there is fire. I had sit through a whole freaking show with people coming up to me (who had met me UKC) and ask me why the breed is ruined and so deformed.. I DON'T KNOW. erytime I am out walking my dog or attending a performance class, I get asked e same questions. I DON'T KNOW. his is my first exposure to other GSDCA members outside of the woman I met at a how from the club I joined and the club members I met at the meeting to vote me . I can't say I am not disappointed. I just wanted answers and I have no cret agenda. apologize again for bothering everyone on the list with my concerns as a new rson entering the breed and show ring. To the few people who sent positive mails to me, I thank you. To the rest, your negativity is just too much. uly. wish everyone much success in their breeding programs..... ake Care, ra =========================================================================== ST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original thor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind e permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the owgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ach Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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