I judged them for years at ARBA. I have to admit, I think they have some attributes. They are a big, soft tempered, long coated dog. They are not a German shepherd. They do not have the temperament that makes a dog a GSD. They don't move, are not protective, and not very smart. But, that is true of many of my friends. I know that the owner of ARBA no longer allows them to be shown at the shows. The breed is a mix, and as was pointed out, they took a number of the faults in German shepherds, and brought them together to make a new breed. I actually gave one a Best in Show since it matched the standard closer for its breed more than any of the other breeds shown that day. The Black Russian was close, but too small. I would not want to own one, as I see nothing of value. But, if that is what "floats your boat" I guess they are as good as any other designer breed. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 4/2/13 4:01:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brendangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Does anyone know much about the Shiloh Shepherd (other than what's on the net) I know they are a cross . No I'm not getting one or even know of anyone that wants one. Has anyone judged them before? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================