So is spitting the food out of your mouth a bad thing so the dog watches you more consistently? And are pinch collars wrong? Because I do both. I honestly can't tell if this is satire, or what... All I know is that when I start trialing, I'll be using a choker because I'm not allowed to use a pinch, not because I want to. My dog does not respond well (read at all) to choker corrections. I get a faster and more easily corrected result with a pinch. Strauss doesn't care if I choke him or whatever...he'll keep pulling or doing whatever it is that is WRONG. With a pinch collar, he doesn't pull...he doesn't like to be pinched. You'd think a body would care more about their air supply being cut off than being pinched, but, nope. - Jackie In a message dated 3/11/2005 3:41:22 PM Central Standard Time, PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx writes: You are so right...some even spit the food out their mouths so the dog looks at them...oh and I've gotten an education in the spiked collar also...the way some today is your not a obedience handler with the spiked collar. Oh Crissy and I just use the good old fashion choke collor and a treat when she does good...Crissy does it out of love and having fun...cant say that for some of the obedience dogs... Patty ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================