[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Obedience judge was wrong
- From: Barb Hahn <ccceditor@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
I wasn't there, I don't have a premium list, but their
website indicates a GSD obedience trial and all-breed
and obedience and rally trials. If this is true there
were a lot of people showing that are not familiar
with GSD specialities. This problem is going to crop
up again as more and more speciality clubs offer the
all-breed events. Rally entries at all-breeds in
Michigan are averaging about 80+ dogs. If you get that
many entries and half as many at all-breed obedience
even allowing for 2nd entries in obedience you have a
minimum of $2300 in entry fees ($20 entry x 80 for
rally; 30 first entry ob dogs $600; 10 second entry
x$10 $100.)
My question to the judges is: AKC obedience rules
allow entrants to withdraw and have entry fees
refunded if the ring conditions are "deficient."
Obedience Reg Chap. 1, Section 33 and 34. Can the
obedience judge include noise and running from
doubling as a deficient ring condition?
The judge is also required to report to AKC deficient
ring conditions according to these regs.
Barb Hahn
--- Steve Grainger <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree with you Tom..When I started in dogs I did
> obedience...then I
> graduated to teaching. Whenever my students were
> preparing for
> competition..especially during the long sits and
> downs..we would
> intentionally have some of the other students walk
> their dogs very close
> to the dogs that were doing the exercise...we would
> try to create as many
> distractions as possible. We even had other students
> doing the recall ex
> cerise in front of the dogs that were in the line
> up. I would walk between
> them..step over the top of them. the object of the
> exercise was to
> reinforce to the dog..that no matter what the
> circumstance..he was not to
> break the sit or down, not matter what temptation
> was presented. In my
> opinion..if you have to have a "sterile" environment
> in order for your dog
> to obey you..then you dog is not trained..and is not
> obedient. I saw a
> similar situation in WI this past Sept. the
> obedience people were yiping
> about the interstate noise..and the noise created at
> the conformation ring.
> My suggestion would be to take your dog and train
> him where there is
> traffic...and also take your dog and practice some
> exercises at some inside
> all-breed shows..where there is alot of noise and
> tons of distractions.
> That is how I used to do it..and often my dogs were
> in the ribbons at all
> breed obedience trials.C.Grainger
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <Gsdman2@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 5/14/2005 8:01:25 PM
> > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Obedience judge was wrong
> >
> > Today, in St. Louis, the obedience judge
> complained about the double
> handling
> > at the conformation ring. As I understand it,
> there were threats of
> failing
> > all of the dogs, and reports to the AKC. He was
> obviously upset.
> > It's been a long time since we've taken a dog
> through obedience. Perhaps
> > times have changed? Of course, this is not the
> first time I've heard
> this
> > complaint, but it leaves me confused. When we
> trained our first bitch,
> the trainer
> > threw all kinds of distractions in front of our
> dog. The point was to
> train
> > the dog so well that distractions wouldn't matter.
> I'm honestly not too
> sure
> > if a dog that would disregard commands because of
> distractions can
> possibly be
> > considered to be a well trained dog?
> >
> > As a side note. Peg and I only stayed for dogs,
> but I thought Jennifer
> Root
> > was doing a very nice job of judging. Honestly,
> the doubling wasn't all
> that
> > loud, and she and the club did what they could to
> appease the
> unreasonable
> > obedience judge.
> >
> > Tom Langlitz
> >
> >
> >
>
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