I hope you got a lot of private responses to your post as not much was posted to the list. Sad that this topic should garner such a meager response. Having dealt with an extreme EPI dog I wish I knew then what I know now. I didn't know she had EPI until she whelped her pups and no matter how much I fed her, she lost weight. I spayed all the pups and refused to continue this line. This was to be my foundation bitch. I was saddened but there was no blame. There were no prior incidents of EPI and it turned out to be a mismatched breeding where no prior incidents were found. And, I researched and talked to many owners of similar breedings. I wish we had a total marker for EPI but it is not there yet. We know much more about EPI and DM and many health problems and even faults in our breed, yet some continue to breed, knowing these things exist. I don't think I will breed again. I have only bred to outside dogs 3 times and each breeding has been more bad than good. It may be faults (weak ears) or health/temperament issues that were never disclosed and showed up in my litters. I will always have GSD's but I don't think I will ever be a breeder again. Laura Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Lee WILLIAMS <santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:56 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] OPEN AND HONEST!! I AM OLD AND TIRED, AS ARE, MANY , OF OUR DEAR FRIENDS OF MINE WHO HAVE RAVELED THE LONG AND PAINFUL ROAD OF TRYING TO BREED GSD'S WHO ARE BEAUTIFUL ND HEALTHY AND INTELLIGENT AND LONG-LIVED. OUR BELOVED GSD AMAZING ARTNERS, COMPANIONS, ON OUR ROAD ,AS WE TRAVEL THRU OUR LIVES.. WE OWE THESE DELIGHTFUL , AMAZING , GSD'S , WHO ARE DEVOTED UNTO DEATH OMPANIONS, OUR BEST EFFORTS TO MAKE THEIR JOURNEY'S WITH US, A GREAT AND EAUTIFUL, HEALTHY, DEARLY LOVED AND VITAL QUEST!! BARB WILLIAMS ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================