I've posted on the list (and on others, too) before that puppies are not out of their sires. They are BY their sires, and OUT OF their dams. Think about it. Now, in the space of 36 hours, I've seen references from otherwise knowledgeable folks, to rear hocks and front elbows....so I ask you all.....are there hocks anywhere but in the rear? Elbows anywhere but in the front? Please learn the language of the activity we are all engaged in...it gives your comments a lot more worth. And please forgive me for being cranky -- these kinds of comments just make me crazy! Thank you... Peggy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================