In a message dated 4/9/2006 10:02:46 AM Central Standard Time, chsweetsun@xxxxxxx writes: We agree. I had a very VERY extensive conversation with Dr. Hutchson. He told me that if he looks at an elbow long enough he can find some DJD in almost every one. So, it is waaaay to subjective as our breed is a breed that depends too much on that #. YES, I totally agree to X ray elbows. YES, I totally agree to not use UAP's, FCP's, or OCD's..as most of these can cause life long trouble and can be genetic. BUT, I won't throw out a good dog with DJD. Dr. Hutch wants me to bring Quno back in. He was _______________________________________________________________________ Good post Tari....below I just copied this out of the Merck Vet. book...note that DJD the causes of true DJD are not always hereditary. "Progressive deterioration of articular cartilage in diarthrodial joints is characterized by hyaline cartilage thinning, joint effusion, and periarticular osteophyte formation. Joint degeneration can be caused by trauma, infection, immune-mediated diseases, or developmental malformations. Clinical signs of degenerative joint disease include lameness, joint swelling, muscle atrophy, pericapsular fibrosis, and crepitation. Radiographic changes in the joint include joint effusion, periarticular soft-tissue swelling, osteophytosis, subchondral bone sclerosis, and possibly narrowed joint space. " Patty ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================