Actually Ed it just proves that the x-ray actually belongs to said dog. With their being no personal identification it just goes by the word of the owner. Not saying you would lie but we all know that there are people that will not be honest. Tammy From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:22 PM To: Paris-Smith_k9s Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; barbara17236@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA requiring Permanent ID a chip has nothing to do with the accuracy of the test...Ed _____ From: "Paris-Smith_k9s" <paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx, barbara17236@xxxxxxx Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:46:17 PM Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA requiring Permanent ID Ed it is stating that there is No Personal Identification number available on your dog. Having some sort of personal identification on your dog just helps to contribute to the accuracy of the tests. Tammy From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:40 PM To: barbara17236@xxxxxxx Cc: paris-smith k9s; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA requiring Permanent ID I have an OFA 'Good' Army son who is NOPI...why?...because I chose not to be forced to chip my dog......matter of principle...as are most things for me..Ed Hill _____ From: barbara17236@xxxxxxx To: "paris-smith k9s" <paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:23:35 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA requiring Permanent ID Nowadays, there is no logical reason for a dog not to be chipped or tattooed, IMO. So, I always wonder why dogs have NOPI after their OFA numbers. Gosh, the dog is at least 24 months old! Makes you wonder if it really was the actual dog being submitted or not. Especially since most vets can microchip animals and could do at the time of the xrays. And, before everyone starts screaming all of the dogs, or at least their NOPI dogs are legit, it is my own personal opinion. I think ALL submissions should be permanently identified PERIOD. ALL of our dogs, even pets, are chipped. If I buy a puppy who isn't chipped, I chip it. ALL of our puppies leave here chipped. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Paris-Smith_k9s <paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: 'Kay Springer' <showgsd@xxxxxxx> Cc: 'Sally' <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 2:22 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA requiring Permanent ID I agree too Kay. This "loophole" does need to be fixed. I never realized hat this could happen. Maybe I just have encountered vets that made it a equirement for them since they are signing it. Each vet I have ever seen as required my dogs to have a microchip. Although if I was putting my ignature on something verifying a dog I would want all my bases covered oo. Thank you Kay for finding this info and showing it to me I definitely id not know was not a requirement. Sad as that is! ammy From: Kay Springer [mailto:showgsd@xxxxxxx] ent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:16 AM o: paris-smith_k9s@xxxxxxxxxxx c: 'Sally'; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ubject: OFA requiring Permanent ID I don't believe this to be true. If you want the dog listed on the AKC edigree then you do have to have a permanent ID but otherwise there is no equirement to have it when x-raying hips and elbows. So as far as doing a heek swab for a DM test on one dog that you know is clear and submitting nder another dog's name you can essentially do that with x-rays if so esired. Here is what the OFA application says regarding PI on x-rays -- Only dogs with Verified Permanent Identification (VPI) will have their esults transmitted to the AKC for inclusion in their registration and edigree documents The permanent ID is not required by OFA to do x-rays. I always thought that his was a "loophole" that should be fixed. Kay Springer www.showboatgsd.com <http://www.showboatgsd.com/> Home of Multi BISS & Multi Group Winning GCh. Rohan's Reward TC,CHC,HT,RE,CDX,CHIC (h,e,h,t) DM Normal "Strider" 83 BOBs - #5 & #6 GSD 2009 On May 26, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Paris-Smith_k9s wrote: Hips and elbow though you have to have a vet verify a microchip number and hey have to sign the form being submitted. DM tests are not verified by nyone but the individual doing them. No microchip or tattoo is required ither. Many of the dogs listed on OFA have single names with nothing else osted about them. No sire no Dam nothing. 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