[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA rating on elbows.
- From: "Pam Stoesser" <pkstoesser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <legatogsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:20:29 -0500
It is very interesting to read the information on elbows (see link "Elbow
Displasia") and hunt around for a definition of what Elbow Displasia is.
Here are some statements taken directly from the OFA website (www.offa.org)
that I find pertinent to this thread of discussion.
My question, after reading their information, is, if a dog never limps as a
result of an elbow "diagnosed" as Grade I, then who decided that dogs
couldn't normally have these "minimal bone
changes"....................................
"For elbow evaluations, there are no grades for a radiographically normal
elbow. The only grades involved are for abnormal elbows with radiographic
changes associated with secondary degenerative joint disease.
Grade I Elbow Dysplasia
Minimal bone change along anconeal process of ulna (less than 3mm).
Grade II Elbow Dysplasia
Additional bone proliferation along anconeal process (3-5 mm) and
subchondral bone changes (trochlear notch sclerosis).
Grade III Elbow Dysplasia
Well developed degenerative joint disease with bone proliferation along
anconeal process being greater than than 5 mm."
"The term "degenerative joint disease" is often misunderstood and
misinterpreted. "Degenerative" is defined as some distinct change from a
normal state to a diseased state. It does not imply a continuing process in
which the disease will progress and worsen continuously over time, and it is
incorrect to assume that a dog with Grade I ED will eventually develop Grade
II or III ED."
"The radiographic evidence of ED, the presence of secondary DJD, and the
clinical presentation do not correlate directly. Grondalen (6) reported on a
population of 207 Rottweilers of which 141 were not lame. Yet 68% of the
non-lame dogs had DJD of the elbow. Another study by Read (7) reported on
serial radiographic and physical examination of 55 Rottweilers at 6 and 12
months of age. At 6 months of age the majority of lame dogs did not have
radiographic evidence of ED; however, by 12 months of age the radiographic
changes were apparent. But the majority of dogs remained sound."
(Question) "Why is it that most veterinarians cannot predict the outcome,
with a certain measure of success, of elbow readings? These are experienced
veterinarians."
(Answer) "This is a common source of misunderstanding and confusion. It
might be useful to consider the analogy of human general practitioners as
compared to human radiologists; and veterinary general practitioners as
compared to veterinary radiologists. The additional training required to
become Board certified in a specialty is expected to result in a greater
level of skill and expertise as compared to the general practitioner. On a
difficult case, most people would prefer to have their own radiographs
evaluated by a Board certified radiologist rather than their general
practitioner because they know their general practitioner cannot be an
expert in everything. The same is true in veterinary medicine."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Booker" <legatogsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA rating on elbows.
>I have no faith in the DJD diagnosis. I had a male dog who was a real
>baby.
> He supposedly had DJD but never limped on it. He lived to be 11. Died
> of
> kidney failure.
>
> Have a bitch now who has DJD, supposedly. She's 6 now, and no
> signs/symptoms. She stopped jumping and I thought we might be having a
> problem, but it turns out she had a ruptured anal gland. :(
>
> Both of the dogs mentioned had really great shoulders, with really nice
> front reach. The bitch probably more so than the dog. At 6 years old
> now,
> she will still make you catch your breath when she takes out in that big,
> extended flying trot.
>
> One would think a bad elbow would hinder the front reach in some way.
> (????)
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Legato German Shepherds...and...
> Stormy Sch3 IPO3 CDX RE
> SG Zena Sch2 Kkl1 AD CD TC
> Beaux Sch2 AD
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
>>Reply-To: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
>>To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] OFA rating on elbows.
>>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:08:47 EDT
>>
>>Hi List, I am interested in learning if an OFA rating of elbows grade 1
>>or
>>2
>> have eventually interfered with the dog's functionality. This could be
>>an
>>interesting topic for all of us. One of my pet dogs came back with a
>>rating of
>>1 on one elbow, and 2 on the other. The owners are very concerned. This
>>is
>>a
>>three year old animal who has been successfully training in agility and
>>herding. He has had no visible problems. Thanks, Syd
>>
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