Thanks to those that responded on the list and privately. I agree that a dog that can't pass OFA and has a sound OFA pedigree could very well be a fluke, just like bloat is often environmental, so can hip dysplasia be. I know of one case personally where a dog had good prelims then could not pass OFA after she slipped on ice and fractured her pelvis. Injury related or genetic...who knows. What I am concerned about, is dogs from certain lines that often do not have the numbers behind the names in their pedigrees (including the up and coming stars). They can't all be injuries, incompetant OFA vets or flukes. I'd like to see some different language in the Breeders code that identifies exceptions to the OFA standards. I also do not feel that breeding bitches on back to back heat cycles should be part of the code and should be left of to the breeders and their situations. The Code of Ethics should address this issue anyway since the breeders that would do it regularly would be commercial breeders/puppy mills. Bottomline is, either sign it or don't sign it, have it re-signed annually, and instead of worrying about punishing those that don't sign, why not reward those that do (similar to the Select Excellent Awards). I think it would be more difficult to be successful if you follow the Breeders Code and you should be recognized for that. As it is, I can sign it now...but I have bred to a dog that was only prelimmed because of his age....so in past years maybe not. Cindy Stormy435@xxxxxxx wrote: I think you did answer your own question, Cindy. Look harder at the pedigree, you will find the answers. If you have a bitch (or that matter, a stud) who has a decent x-ray, but can't get a "number", and you've checked his pedigree and found solid good OFA numbers all around, then the chances are your litters will be free. On the other hand, a Perfect Stud or Bitch who has an OFA # but the pedigree is lacking in good numbers and the information on littermates isn't that good throughout the pedigree... Well, THAT dog probably has less of a chance of producing good hips/elbows...don't you think? Stormy In a message dated 8/5/07 10:03:55 AM, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: I'm not trying to start a fight. Because right now I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that it is in the best interest of the breed to breed dogs that have not passed OFA. I know some small breeders locally that have taken serious hits to their breeding programs because they will not breed a dog that couldn't pass OFA. I find that very admirable, but maybe I"m just missing something here. ~~~~~~~~ Stormy Hope California Federation of Dog Clubs www.cfodconline.org ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================