[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA and Pancreatic testing
- From: "Jack Kilgour" <jackkilgour@xxxxxxx>
- To: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>, <inquestgsd@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:58:43 -0700
Kathy,
You have written such intelligent, thoughtful emails and they emote your
concerns, frustrations and hopes for the future. YES, YES, YES... when a
dog dies - my God, especially if it dies young (3 - 9 years of age) and it's
been used a couple of times and more importantly a couple of hundred times -
do the necropsy - PLEASE...and share the information. We are all in this
together and we can make choices when their more informed ones.
Personally, I thought I had the scoop on a lot of issues - the litter of 5
with G.V. in there - yikes... how do we, as breeders know what to do? Well,
it's our responsibility to ask about health issues - any known that are
cropping up out of the stud dog in waiting...and of course your example is
quite simply a great reminder to ask about the health of the litter he came
from. PRAY for honesty in ourselves and in others. It's for our breed.
jack
-----Original Message-----
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:44 AM
To: inquestgsd@xxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA and Pancreatic testing
I know...so what do we do? A data base???? And we have to look linear.
True story...GV, litter of 5. 2 w/ UAP, 2 w/ mega and then the GV. How
many people who bred to the GV didn't know????? (long dead).
And another thing I am finding....dead dogs, no necropsies. Lots and lots
of dead dogs. So, even if the breeder is being honest, they really don't
know why a particular dog (dogs) died. I am actually floored....
Can I make a suggestion to everyone???? If a dog dies and you don't know
why, especially if it is a very young dog or a dog who has been used at stud
or a bitch that has been bred ....necropsy. No, I'm not talking about the
12 year old w/ the enlarged spleen and the vet suspects cancer...but I AM
talking about a very young dog, a popular stud dog or a middle aged bitch
who has had litters that suddenly dies.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 10/9/2012 12:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
inquestgsd@xxxxxxx writes:
Well , all the private conversations aren't saving any dogs, and never
have. What's the point of talking if not sharing, openly?
I want to deal with facts, not opinions, not finger pointing, gossiping
and rumors.
You know I am broken hearted over the puppy's passing. We can turn this
into a solution seeking situation, or let it become a witch hunt, as these
things normally tend to go, unfortunately.
I have spent the good part of the last 2 weeks talking to vets, seeking
educated, professional opinions. I am forwarding Kay's vet info to these
vets. Maybe she knows something we don't
I know you have spent the same time doing pedigrees research and talking
to breeders and other people in the breed. There has to be an answer. Even
if
we don't like it.
As my hubby always says, doing the right thing isn't always easy, but its
still the right thing to do.
No one should have to lose a dog over health issues, due to lack of
information.
Hugs!
Ileana
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:21 AM, _Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxxx
(mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) wrote:
Well I guess you would reach out to Barb Williams.
Kay's vet certainly provided good information.
If we are to believe like Barb W. opined to the list that all gastro
problems (bloat/GDV, mesenteric torsion, toxic gut, EPI) are related, then,
judging by the sheer volume of dogs affected by all of these issues
combined we
have one HECK of a huge problem.
I realize not everyone thinks all of these things are related. Some may
not even think any of these conditions are genetic (I strongly disagree and
the more I look at certain families and receive/read private e-mails the
more I am convinced there is a genetic component...but WHAT IS IT????
..certain families?????? <sure seems plausible> weakened immune system?????
<very
possible>).
If we are to believe that these things flow from a weakened immune system,
possibly caused by all of the same dogs back-massed (not sure that's the
correct phrasing) in today's pedigrees, (like Liz opined) then we STILL
have
a heck of a problem because when I take today's pedigrees back more than 4
generations, with very few exceptions, I might as well marry my brother.
Weakened immune systems are a HUGE issue in the breed, skin and coat,
thyroid issues, bitches that don't have normal seasons/can't conceive/carry
a
litter to term, etc. etc. etc.
And a particular dog might be fine but his sister might be a mess...or a
bitch fine but her brother dead early...so then what??? And how on earth
do
you do THAT kind of research???
So, does the weakened immune system affect pancreatic function?
<possible> And if so, how do we even begin to determine a level for normal?
How
often to test? Kay's vet, remember, treats anything under 5.
I have more questions than answers.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
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