We can agree on my temper. hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: ANTHONY AMOROSO <triplea7@xxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <marhaven@xxxxxxx>; <CARALAND@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 8/7/2007 1:29:13 PM > Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA > > Temper Temper Christine. It was mean't as a joke. But the funniest line was > yours > descibing me as "a big money backer". I wish. > > Sorry I offended you. > > Tony > > > >From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Reply-To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: "anthony amoroso" <triplea7@xxxxxxx>, marhaven@xxxxxxx, > >CARALAND@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA > >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:28:59 -0500 > > > >Why don't you become a breeder instead of a big money backer and buyer of > >dogs, perhaps then you will learn some humility from the dog "Gods". Being > >in the trenches is nothing like being in a picture with a current winner, > >only showing up for the photo -op so everyone knows who you are.. Also > >research the pedigrees of some of the dogs you have backed..perhaps not > >all were OFA, perhaps some were OFA but produced problems.For those OFA > >zealots, what about those dragging rears and dead tails bouncing off the > >hocks...shame..shame shame. Since there aren't numbers for this, then > >that's not a real problem, I take it. Bottom line is, I would advise that > >before you make suggestions about breeding and eating cows, research what > >is behind every dog you have backed, you may find you may have to eat your > >own words, and they probably won't be too tasty. Christine > > > >hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Steve and Christine Grainger > >WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: anthony amoroso <triplea7@xxxxxxx> > > > To: <marhaven@xxxxxxx>; <CARALAND@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Date: 8/7/2007 9:19:55 AM > > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA > > > > > > Unfortunately, after over thirty years Jack has to remind us that OFA is > >still our best bet in breeding > > > our animals. And some of you out there are still arguing the > >point...shame ...shame...shame. > > > To those who are still arguing about the use of OFA why don't you go > >into > >breeding cattle. > > > then you can eat your mistakes. > > > Tony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Carolyn<mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxx> > > > To: CARALAND@xxxxxxx<mailto:CARALAND@xxxxxxx> ; > >showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:22 PM > > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: OFA > > > > > > > > > FINALLY a great post I can relate to. Thanks for the great reminder > >Jack! > > > We all know that OFA is not the only answer to any genetic > >problem.....but as Jack stated we > > > DO know that in the background of every pedigree we have to work with > >right now there are > > > dogs that were dysplastic, had littermates that were dysplastic or > >that we just have no > > > information on at all in every pedigree. THAT is always my main > >concern ......it is always > > > there "lurking"......and I feel at this time that OFA is the best tool > >available to make some > > > clear choices. We prefer littermates OFA good rather than one > >Excellent. > > > * > > > SURE we can all cite cases of dogs that are OFA Good or Excellent > >...and still have problems. > > > At an All Breed recently a Corgi breeder was telling my husband and a > >friend that she had > > > five solid generations of OFA on a pedigree... ( that is ALL the > >littermates also ) of a recent litter > > > of Corgi's and she got hit with a nightmre litter of quite a few with > >hip dysplasia. > > > It happens...... > > > But I agree with Jack......the whole idea is to keep it as absolutely > >minimal as "possible" and > > > increase the "odds" of less problems and hopefully in time no > >problems, or almost no problems. > > > Will I live long enough......I doubt it. Do I give > >up.............NAW.......<G> > > > Does that mean I would "never" use a dog that is not > >OFA.........don't > >know.....we have used > > > our own with just Pre Lims. Will we again....yes.... > > > Will there be 'sneaky genes'.........oooOOOOOHHHhhhh yeah!!! > > > > > > The Breeders Code of Ethics cannot address every issue........but we > >can all try. > > > > > > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx<mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxx> > > > www.marhaven.com<http://www.marhaven.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: CARALAND@xxxxxxx<mailto:CARALAND@xxxxxxx> To: > >showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, > >August 05, 2007 7:18 PMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] OFA > > > > > > > > > In reading some of the posts on here about OFA it appears that some > >of the listers have their > > > heads in the sand and that the first priority is a winning dog > >rather than a physically sound one. > > > If you have ever had to put down young puppies for hip dysplasia > >you > >will understand the > > > importance of doing everything you can to avoid it. The OFA is > >there for the conscientious > > > breeders that want to use it. It does not guarantee that every > >offspring of normal dogs will > > > be normal. It does improve the chances of breeding normal hip and > >elbows. We all know that > > > dogs further back in our pedigrees were dysplastic or were never > >xayed . Those genes that > > > existed then can still trickle down and appear in some of our > >offspring. The objective is to > > > keep that to a minimum and increase the percentage of normals. > >Shepherds have made > > > major strides in improved hips since the OFA has become widely > >used. > > > > > > For those that question the capabilities of the OFA radiologists > >the > >OFA has about > > > 20 board certified radiologists under contract. When an xray is > >received it is assigned > > > to 3 of those radiologists for reading. If there is a difference in > >opinion between the > > > readers the consensus among the three is accepted. The OFA monitors > >the performance > > > of the readers to see that no one's opinions varies to far from the > >others. > > > > > > For those that don't like some of the OFA's opinions don't blame the > >messenger. > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=========================================================================== = > > > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > >original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS > >of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author > >AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN > >ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > >PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > >FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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