[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Now I am going to vent....
- From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
- To: pgreen@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:25:08 +0000 (UTC)
Same results for me Patrick...spent thousands of dollars trying to do
AIs....finally I gave up and gave my dog's sperm away....thereby saving me
thousands of dollars in the future.....life is like bull-fighting....sometimes
you get the bull, and sometimes he gets you...FB
----- Original Message -----
From: pgreen@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rockannand@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:46:08 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Now I am going to vent....
I wish we could compile these letters and get them to a Veterinary
publication, might be interesting reading for the young vets coming up.
Probably wouldn't do any good but this is really frustrating. Â You have all
spoken for me and my experience as well. Â I have just given up on anything
artificial. Â I will only do natural breedings now after throwing thousands
at A.I.s, implants, etc. which of course really limits what I can breed to.
And as you guys said even that is an ordeal trying to get a progesterone
done and get accurate results back in some sort of timely manner. Â I have
considered buying a centrifuge, microscope, etc. and setting up a little lab
in my house. Â (I used to be a lab tech.) Â I can see myself driving a bitch
to the mid-west, south-east, north-west or further soon to get a natural
breeding and that is ridiculous in 2012. Â How long have they been doing AIs
for cattle and horses and yet here we sit. Â I know, I know now ten people
are going to write in telling me how I must be doing it wrong because they
produce puppies artificially all the time. Â Come on over! Â Show Me! Â Love to
be shown where I am screwing up! Â I have attempted to do A.I.s with my
bitches over a twenty year period with dogs from all over the country and
NEVER produced a pup, not one. Â I have sat in back yards, parks, dog show
grounds, and canine reproduction clinics with my bitches and some of the
best producing dogs and their top winning, knowledgeable owners and have
NEVER PRODUCED a pup through artificial insemination. Â I have spent untold
hours (and thousands of dollars) on the phone with vets and reproduction
specialists from the mid west to the west coast. Â I have a huge stack of
"Fresh Express" FedEx boxes in my garage. Â If anyone can think of a use for
them let me know.
   Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: Kate Syssoloff
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 10:27 AM
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx ; pretties1@xxxxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Now I am going to vent....
Boy, does this ring home! Â I hope you are all able to find a replacement.
My super vet only practices now every so often. Â His practice is still on
his property, but more often than not, he's off seeing the world. Â Reliable
for 25 years, we worked so well together often just over the phone (he is an
hours drive), and then pick up a prescription at the pharmacy. Â He used to
pack me up with meds to have on hand so he could prescribe over the phone.
He was a large and small animal Vet, hadn't bought into the computer age and
did everything on paper which kept cost down.. Â a real country Vet who knew
and did it all. Â Artificial insemination? Â No problem.. Â cows, horses and
dogs.. Â easy peasy. Â Your bill in the mail or on account, which ever was
easiest. Â He's got new Vets in there, and while they have obviously been
directed by my Vet, there has been an obvious jump in Veterinary prices.
Double in most cases. Â If I come in and he's there.. he'll say "Oh it's you!
I'll take th
is patient!" Â But, that has happened only a few times in the last year or
so. Â So.. Â I just decided to give up breeding. Â Without his support, it's
too risky and far too expensive a hobby for me at this point in my life.
C'est la vie!
Kate @ Rockannand
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, pretties1@xxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 9:19:31 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Now I am going to vent....
Like Kathy our 'ace' Â reproductive Vet retired a couple of years ago. Â Â He
almost apologized
to us as he knew how important he was to us. Â I told him he had no right to
retire before we
were through breeding. Â ( besides he is younger than us!! ) ........but he
did anyway...<G>
I swear it is like losing a much trusted and loved family Doctor!!!
It has been a struggle..... we have run upon many things similar to what
Kathy descirbes in
what some Vets require. Â Â It has taken literally three different Vets to
replace the one.....and
the three together don't come close to his availability and capability and
the trust between us.
sigh.........
Most of us know the progesterone numbers, know the drill as well as most
Vets, Â and handle
A.I.'s and natural breedings just fine, Â and can handle most of it ourselves
anyway.
(.... without knowing how many "folds" are in the vaginal lining our whole
life...... )
<G>
We cannot however run a progesterone test as accurate as the Labs, Â and we
need that
before investing in the huge cost of breeding with fresh chilled or frozen
semen. Â It's basically
simple. Â Even a Vet Tech can draw the blood for the test to be sent to the
Lab for results, and
then call you to let you know the numbers.
Anything else is fluff and..............KA-CHING!!
Carolyn   marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: pretties1@xxxxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, Â AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Now I am going to vent....
Here's the scary thing...I know what I want, I understand progesterone
timing, I know when to
breed a bitch depending on if we are doing fresh, Â chilled, frozen etc. Â AND
still there were
screw ups with the labs  (plural!).  I did what I thought was my due
diligence by carefully
interviewing a new-to-me vet.
What about the 1st or 2nd or 3rd time breeder who  get taken by all this
nonsense?????
Vaginal folds?????? VAGINAL FOLDS??????? Â Arrrrgggghhhhh! Â I'm still
upset!!!
Congrats on a lovely litter:)))))
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations  of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
pretties1@xxxxxxxxx writes:
I feel  your pain!! Had much of the same excitement last year here in
Dallas...needless
to say my bitch didn't conceive. Next time she came in  season, I drove
1,000 miles to
Illinois; tests done, bitch bred, 61 days later  - 12 beautiful babies!!
Sue
---- Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote:
Sooooooooooooooooooo.....my reproductive guru retired and the last  litter I
 >  bred I
  had one HELL of a time getting progesterone  testing done...one Vet
forgot  to call
  Fedex,
  the next vet  ordered the wrong test (would tell me if a bitch was
spayed...WT******????),
  one only did a test-by-color (oh just > shoot  me!),  offices had
shortened hours for
  MLK's b-day...I can't make this  up.     > It's a miracle we got
puppies.
  > So, I spent a bit of time interviewing  vets.  Found one locally, spoke
to their reproductive
  guru, which lab, hours, policies, services etc.  Yes,  they  would run
p-tests, yes they use Quest,
  (bonus), not a problem Ms. Salvucci,  we'll be happy to assist you.  I
still have our e-mail
  correspondence  and  then the notes I took during our telephone
conversation.
  >
  > So, gal comes in season, today is either  day 1 or 2, make an
appointment for Monday.
  All I want is  p-testing from this office, that's it. (I have  > another
vet for  other services,
  3x the distance).
  Receptionist Monica  is sugar sweet and makes an appointment for a
"reproductive
  work up".  I'm sorry...a what????  I explain I just want  P-testing.
  "Mable" would have to call me back.  Yesssss......that's  who I spoke to
before, she
  knows I use  other vets and said she'd look forward to  working with >
me.
  I  pull my copies of the correspondence out, with my notes, even have
 the
dates that Mable
  and I spoke.
  >
  > So Mable  calls back, she who assured me MONTHS AGO they would be happy
  to  > run progesterone.  That's all I want, did I mention  that????
 Nope,
they > now feel it's
  better for the  bitch  and the owner (?????) that the  bitch has  a
reproductive exam.
  >
  > I didn't mean to sound stupid so I  tried to sound patient and asked
"what all does that  entail"???
  >
  > *a physical exam *a vaginal  exam via scope to examine the folds of the
vaginal lining
  (say  >  what????) > *a smear to see how far along cornification is (a
little  early for that,
  > no? besides did I forget to mention I'M DOING  PROGESTERONE)
  >  and...wait for it....>
  > *progesterone IF I wanted it (IF??????   IIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF????)
  >
  > No biggie.....I'll just drive 3x  the distance.
  > Kathy, member GSDCA,  DVGSDC
  > Celebrating generations  of Dual Titled TC'd  Champions
  > visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_  (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
  >
  >
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