OK....the elephant in the room. The white have their own FB pages that we can follow. Not much response as far as I can see. I will tell you what I can see is the byproduct of breeding for color. Why would the colored dog breeders want to regress by breeding to these dogs? There are a few nice dogs that have colored dogs in the pedigree granted. Gets back to the same question. What can the white dogs do to help the breed? Joan F. Fox 17500 Haskins Rd. Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023 tel: 440-759-4119 http://www.campaignersgsds.com On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:14 PM, Anne Utter <rautt75@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: If the white clubs are not allowed, how is it that you can give all the correct answers to questions about whites? It would be only your perception and what you have "learned" and believe. It would not be an honest "debate". People tend to believe what you tell them when they have a question. I sincerely doubt that all THREE of the white clubs are arguing - at least not with each other. Where are your facts? It is a fact that AWSA wants breed separation and the WGSDCI and WGSDCA do not. This all started with the membership being allowed to vote on reinstatement of the whites in conformation. A chance to right a wrong done years ago. You don't have to agree with the reasons. Whether or not the breed would benefit would remain to be seen down the road. I doubt anyone could possibly know if and how a breed would improve when the present Standard was written. it is seen over a period of time. Anne, GA Sent from Anne's iPad > On Aug 25, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Linda Bankhead <lindabankhead44@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > White breeders were not allowed, > they have their own pages and with limited support I might add. The 3 > White clubs seem to be arguing.) > > The posts have been in the thousands. I would say 95% are members of The > GSDCA. By a VERY large margin; these members will vote "no". > > For me; the best part of the high paying FB page was when people would say > "thank you; now I understand." ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================