The point is that unless you have Xray vision, you really don't know where the puppies are inside, or whether one is moving into the canal, or stuck...which is why I don't use it. It only takes one mistake...and there's a dead bitch (and it isn't a pleasant death) and a bunch of dead puppies or, if some are already out and doing OK, a bunch of orphans. I'll tell you, if you once see a bitch die of a ruptured uterus, you won't be so quick to give a pit shot ever again... Yes...get a new vet...but not to give you the pit, rather to be willing to get out of his warm bed, leave the house and meet you at any hour of the day or night to help you if something happens and you need him. It isn't necessary to give "clean out shots" anymore, either, if you've kept track of the afterbirths...and I don't care how expert anyone is, giving pit is risky..........and giving three or four or more is a horrible thing to do to a bitch...you could set the poor girl to trying so hard she's exhausted...and all the time, the puppy may be lying in such a way that it can't come out naturally anyway...why would anyone subject a beloved animal to such torture...of course, maybe everyone needs to have labour pains before breeding...they might feel differently then. I think it's heartless and very uncaring. I will let a vet give maybe 2...if that doesn't result in puppies, I'll opt for the section...of course, if you have waited too long then the bitch will be so exhausted even that will be rough on her...but I'd do a section any time rather than risk losing the bitch from a pit shot because I was impatient for her to get on with it. Line up a vet who will meet you if you need him...and forget the pit, unless you are willing to risk losing your bitch and the pups too... Peggy Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote: > > >In a message dated 4/1/2006 2:55:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >uwish@xxxxxxxxxx writes: >ALL THE VET'S in the office said NO PIT. It can >rupture the uterus. > > >It can, IF used before the first puppy. You need a new vet. > >I think I used a grand total of 3 ccs with the last litter (11 puppies), >including the 1 cc given after the litter was whelped as a "clean out shot". >I >just looked and I paid $7 for the bottle (100 mL). > >So, find a new vet. In the meantime, find someone close by who keeps pit on >hand and go get 2-3 ccs. > >Kathy >three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! > >visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ >(http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) > > >============================================================================ >POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original >author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind >are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the >Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > >ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY >MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS >PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY >FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE >PROSECUTED. > >For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues >============================================================================ > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================