[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Newbies, showing, Barbara's blog
- From: Denise Williams <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 19:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
You know newbies often do receive conflicting advice. Sometimes you've got to
figure it out, trial and error, with more errors than not. If I like what
you're breeding I follow your advice. And
1. I was first taught that any dog who was not finished was not worth breeding.
If the dog got the CH, he/she was worth breeding. Now it seems that people are
breeding the dog as early as possible, to prove whether it can produce, to
decide whether it's worth finishing. The show ring is no longer ussed to
evaluate breeding stock, but to validate the breeder's program/progress.
2. Get the best bitch you can buy. Except who sells the newbie a very good
bitch? So I persisted and got a good male, and tried the next piece of advice-
3. If you want a good one, breed it yourself.
So I was often asked what my male produces, and my answer was, I don't know, I
don't own any females to breed to him. At three, they impressed upon me that
I
need to hurry and finish the dog or breed him (trust me, if you've seen this
dog, he is not falling apart at three!) Finally someone volunteered their
females. The first breeding was to make sure he was viable, the second to
produce a show bitch for me and the third because there was something I had to
know.
Now I have what I want, five years down the line. This is the first female gsd
I
have had since I was 8. I am through and through satisfied. I will continue in
this sport till I finish this dog and his daughter, and I suspect that I will
want more later. I am not so much motivated by the love of the sport but they
the love of this dog. Will I breed to continue the legacy, well ask me that
two years from now.
Denise W.
The Good Ole Boys~Chopper and Chase
http://www.showgermanshepherds.info
for show and performance
(join my site ring-follow the link)
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From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx; roxyjoefrankie@xxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:03:39 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Helping Newbies & Flora B.
Great post Jamie!!
When we got into this Breed with "inflamed" passion....we were in a location
where we were never ever
mentored. We lived up in the Tahoe National Forest by Donner Lake and near
NO
ONE that owned a GSD.
We discovered the Review accidentally shortly after obtaining our first GSD and
studied it faithfully. We learned
of a dog show within 100 miles and went .....and from there all heck broke
loose!!! We were hooked!! <G>
We never knew anyone for years....just went to the shows and learned and
eventually started breeding. We were
limited for time and funds as were raising a family.....but the "flame" and
the
passion never waned.
We finally started breeding seriously ......and we were OFTEN shot down and
disappointed and discouraged
and never heard a lot of compliments.... nor were we encouraged. The passion
never waned!
By nature I don't meet people easily....and neither does my husband ....and
consequently we were really not
mentored either. Possibly our own fault.... we were so busy with our own
family and lack of time.....it's just the
way it is......but we did learn and we did persevere....and when our last child
was in her last year of High School
we began to show ....and bred our first Champion.
Most of us have put in hours, days, weeks and years of learning through trials
and disappointments and some
very high peaks. Most of us are more than willing to help anyone who will
listen. But be prepared...if you do
ask us ....those of us who have been through the fires and trials......you may
not get the answer you want to hear!
Be willing to listen and learn ....or don't ask in the first place! Know
your
own goals.
There are the greatest people in the world involved in this great
Breed...........and some.... 'not so much'.....<G>
You have to decide where you put your time and effort.........and why........
OH........and strive to improve on Flora B!! <G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
From: Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx To: roxyjoefrankie@xxxxxxxxx ;
Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Helping Newbies
Dear "roxyjoefrankie@xxxxxxxxx"....
I love helping Newbies. When they listen.
But here's the deal......how many newbies do you know that have even
bought the first book on our breed?
I remember when I first became "inflamed" I sought out every book I could find
on the subjects of the history of
the breed, breeding, gait, obedience, nutrition for dogs, canine reproduction,
genetics (basic), etc. In saying that,
I mean only to tell you that there is alot of homework that newbies can do, and
in doing so, will go far in gaining the
respect of your mentors. If the newbie is not willing to put in the hours and
dedication, mentoring is an exercise
in futility.
Most of us "old-timers" have done our studies, taken our lumps, borne
our back-stabbing and rudeness from
older exhibitors of the time. We have been where you are and as much as we'd
like to save you from all of it,
it's impossible to impart any such wisdom in a nutshell at ringside.
We are most DEFINITELY here to mentor
you....but most of us are not willing to spoon-feed. If you love the breed and
the sport (and it sounds like you do) you will
prevail. Just toughen up, girl. <VBG>
Jamie
P.S. Quiz question: Who was Flora Berkemeyer and how does she compare with
the
dogs of today?
----- Original Message ----- roxyjoefrankie@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> Being fairly new to showing although i have always had German shepherds > I'd
>like to say that we need more
mentors helping out the newbies. It has > been a rough road for myself trying
to get people to be friendly and give
> advice without being put out.
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Everyone once in awhile I find the need to comment on a subject and this is
one. It has hit to close to home recently.
Seems that more often than not these past few years, I have been the one burnt
and discouraged by trying to be
a good mentor and friend to our breed.
Many years ago when I started in this breed, I found myself saying the same
thing that is stated below. People
were not friendly and I felt like I had the big "L" on my forehead and no one
wanted to associate with a beginner
and give advice. I vowed not to be like that.
Well....now I understand why people don't reach out like they should. I even
went so far as to give my pick of the
litter to new show people. It was a huge mistake (but must say, it looks like
it is turning out). Seems "newbies"
say they want to learn and listen but don't.
I find it is better to stick to oneself instead of offering advice and help.
Dog showing is my hobby and I use to have
so much fun. These past years, the fun is going away and I am starting to
rethink about continuing this hobby that
I love so much. A person can be friendly, helpful, and try to do all the
right
things for this breed and still get stabbed
in the back and trampled upon. That is why so many of us experienced people
are backing off and keeping to
ourselves. Kindness is not look upon as just that
anymore. JMHO.
In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:28:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
roxyjoefrankie@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Being fairly new to showing although i have always had German shepherds
I'd like to say that we need more mentors helping out the newbies. It has
been a rough road for myself trying to get people to be friendly and give
advice without being put out. I recently approached a new person and gave
advice on showing and she was greatly appreciative for my thoughtfulness. She
also has had a hard time meeting people and making friends. She is young and
very excited to show but was becoming disappointed in how she was treated.
I have been lucky enough lately to get myself a good mentor and help guide
me along and introduce me to people who seems to be very nice and some not
so. But that is fine. I take it all in stride. I'm not a quitter and have
prevailed through alot of mean remarks and laughs behind my back. It's the
love for the breed that keeps me going. . My point is Help these new people
yes, there competition but that's what it's all about. And without
the new young and upcoming exhibitors and handlers you all ask, where will
we be in the near future. I'd like to see more kindness and introductions
to the new people you meet at shows. You never know they may teach us all a
few new things and what does it hurt in meeting new friends and answering
a few questions. Alittle kindness can go along way.
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