Kathy you know I love you and having worked in law-enforcement and prisons most of my adult life, things I've seen to this day still affect me and I do believe holding people accountable is a good thing. My point was that not everyone agrees about breeding training raw diet showing co-ownership etc etc. so to blast, some one about what they decide to do outside of breaking the law in a public forum Well it just violates politeness It's a big jump to what's going on in our country. I was I'm my classroom with my morning students when I learned of the school shooting . So make no mistake I do believe we should hold people accountable but your analogy does not fit in this incident. Sorry Stormy. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Iza Ackerman <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:21:51 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: New Thread OK - I must have missed a post or two here - what does murders and shooting have to do with German Shepherd Dogs ???? Iza Kabuska-Ackerman www.Karizmashepherds.com AKC Breeder of Merit Breeder of a Canadian Grand Victor, an American Grand Victor, and many more beautiful dogs ! -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:46 PM To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: New Thread I have given a lot of thought the past few weeks to just what the h*ll is wrong...we had the movie theater shooting, the mall shooting, the school massacre, the firemen ambushed and it seems to me (and I have no training in this), but it just seems that we went wrong with a politically correct, feel good, everything is cool, Dr. Spock-Oprah-Dr. Phil mentality. Too many excuses. Too much gray. That's not how I was raised...what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and I for one and going to stop turning a blind eye and a deaf ear. It's OK to judge. It's perfectly fine to say "I don't like how you acted". "I don't like/approve your decision". You know, except for the ambush of the firemen in NY (too recent), it comes out later, people say...oh yeah...there were signs. Don't you wish for a split second that a neighbor in Newtown CT, JUST ONE, had asked the shooter's mother WTF are you thinking letting your son play with guns? I am old enough to remember that if I was out playing and did something wrong, it was perfectly OK for a neighbor to correct me. I was ACCOUNTABLE to the neighborhood watch lol. If I went home and whined to my mother, the punishment was far worse. And please don't give me the "everyone has skeletons in their closet cr*p". NO...WE all don't. I am far from perfect but I do hold myself to a higher standard than I hold others. That said, I think it's just fine to hold others to the bare minimum and to speak out when that standard isn't met.... and if we turn away, afraid to ruffle feathers, afraid of not being politically correct, well then, we're just as much in the wrong. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 12/26/2012 4:51:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: but I thought better of it and will discuss the issue in private with those who are not perfect or quick to judge, ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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