Hi Pat, Newborns....we look for upper arm ratios immediately, cause those don't change. We look for length of croup, and curvaceous ness, if you will. We look for pigment, not how black, because a bi color isn't necessarily good pigment, but how rich the tan or red. We look for skull structure. We also look for vigor. We then evaluate at 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks , 6 mos, and one year. Kathy WEBSITE UPDATED: MAR 19, 2006~ SEL 2 ANNIE X NITRO PUPS! _http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/) VICTORY GSDs, There Is Something In A Name ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================