In a message dated 11/15/2006 8:08:26 PM Central Standard Time, MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx writes: Very true, but the judging of structure should be in conjunction with thinking about what this breed is bred to do...herd. --------------------------------------------------- Absolutely ... And I didn't intend to suggest anything different. The question has been raised in the past about whether or not the GSD needs a higher speed to herd, and that was the reason for my comment. My hope was actually to avoid revisiting that discussion <G>. I believe that whether or not that faster speed is used with any regularity, it is still necessary to demonstrate how well all of the dog's parts work together. I hope no one mistakes this observation for a request to see the dogs race. Seeing if the dogs can move correctly when opened up to their fullest extension is merely a tool to judge their structure and how well that structure works. Some dogs will exhibit faults at a faster speed that do not show at the slower pace. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================