I understand a little bit of digging and fussing in the box post delivery. I rationalize they are "crampy". I've never had one that w/ a "un-uh" wouldn't stop that tho. If you think it will help give her a couple of St. Joseph's baby aspirin. It won't hurt the babies. But what you are describing is beyond that, so for now I wouldn't leave her alone w/ the puppies. She and I would have a "come to Jesus" conversation, (away from the babies), then I'd muzzle her, then I would sit with her and the two remaining puppies while they nursed. I swear I'd sit ON her if I had to. I'm so very sorry you are having to deal with this Terra! Some gals just don't make good mothers...who knows why? It isn't important to try and figure it out. What IS important is saving the boys left. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 3/19/2009 10:29:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: It has been terrible here. Our Ch. bitch whelped her first litter of 8 puppies on Monday, 16th. We have only 2 males left and have to bottle feed them. The bitch has been very restless although she cleans the puppies she will not let them nurse. She is continuing to pick them up and tries to dig and put them in corners and stuff. What is going on. The vet said she has milk and no infection. Posted two pups and there was nothing in the stomach and intestines? We are so worried. The two males are gaining and bottle nursing. We are using goats milk mixed with tap water. Also putting a little nutra cal on their tongues. We use cotton balls to stimulate them to pee and poop. Vet will not tranquilize her to let her calm down to nurse. Any suggestions? Terra Fairburn & Nanc Kinley **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================