Well Flower Boy, I am the one that had this idea, and I guess its not a new one but it sure makes sense. And I to don't and wouldn't want to offend Helen or any judge. I got some great emails out of this and all would love to see it happen. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx>; "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Nationals some one suggested to Pam that we could end the AKC show after winners dog and winners bitch...with no Specials entered, the class for BOB would just be between the winners dog and the winners bitch...end of show...then on Saturday we could have a MATCH!...with only Champions pre entered...we would invite the WD and WB from Friday...now we could have our panel...I think it would mean more to go GV and SELECT under a panel of three than just one man or woman's opinion ( Helen you know I still love you!...lol)...........and before any one gets offended...not that I really care... THIS WAS NOT MY IDEA...I just happen to think its a great idea!...and since I think its a great idea...it will be doomed for sure...lol...FB Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 7/5/2006 5:11:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, judsohngsd@xxxxxxx writes: Sounds wonderful, with one exception for the show to have WD & WB it also needs a BOB, BOW< & BOS as per AKC......are you planning on running the Specials twice ....once to get BOB BOW & BOS and a second time with three judges to get the select placings Judy Judsohn German Shepherds --------------------------------- I think that's what would have to be done - right now BOB, BOW and BOS are narrowed down to just WB, WD, GV and GVX because the Specials class is part of the AKC event. If the judges panel is used, it probably couldn't be used to narrow down the competition, so all the specials would be eligible for the BOB judging. The National would probably take a lot longer. With all the AKC judges on the list, I'm sure there are several who could give us a more official answer. Janice ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================