Thank you Ed, my husband is improving every day. There are several people emailing me direct and say that it is a good idea and that it would not be against AKC. .Hi Pam, I have been promoting this idea in my little circle of friends for several years, but no one really wants to change the system. The National may be an AKC event, but GV, GVX, and Select are not AKC titles. The solution is simple, end the AKC event on Sat. Sat. is for the GSDCA and has no need to be AKC approved. On Sat., permit only Specials (Pre-entered as now) and the winners dog and bitch from the Friday AKC show to enter the GSDCA event on Sat. Awards and titles remain the same.It sounds like this could work. Pam----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pamswan02@xxxxxxx>; "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Nationals Pam...I agree with you 100%...It may however violate some kind of AKC rule!...perhaps if this rule were in effect, you would have a select in your kennel...hope your husband gets well soon....Ed Pam Swan <pamswan02@xxxxxxx> wrote: When I go to the Morgan National or World Championship in Morgan Horses, I see that they have three judges judging this event. Each judge has a rating card and they must rate the horse from 1 to 10 .If one judge is in disagreement with the other two, the one must beable to explain for the higher or lower score. I think that is a very good and fair way of judging such an important event. I would like a good discussion here. Pam Swanson ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================