The answer to that is "Plenty." As an example...look at the Poodle Club of America (and the Standards fly around in 500 crates, too...unless they are all driving)...for the past dozen or so years it has been in the same place (Maryland) and everyone who wants to know about Poodles knows to go to PCA--it's the same week, in the same place--no problem. The crowd is always huge--judges, wanna be judges, and just plain dog people go to watch. Last year PCA moved from the Equestrian Center to a facility in Salisbury, Maryland-- no major airport there, either, you have to fly to either National (Reagan), Dulles, or Baltimore, and rent a vehicle and drive (well, you had to do it for the Equestrian Center, too)...but they don't have any problem doing that. Maryland, of course, is on the east coast............hotels are nearby but not on top of the site...they sod their arena, and while they don't need quite as large a ring as we do, they need a big one for the Standards, for sure. Maybe somebody needs to talk to the Poodle folks to find out how they manage to put on a very large show in the same place every year with no problems--at least without the discontent expressed on this list ever since I first joined it........ Peggy Terry Cochran wrote: You park the national in the same location year after year and how many new people are you going to be introducing to the breed? There is a certain amount of comfort knowing where you are going year after year so that would be a plus. If there is nothing new to see or do then all you have to do is decide if you want to show under that years judges or stay home. It does make it more simple to decide weather to go or to save your money for something else. There is no location in the USA that is going to make it cheaper for the folks to go and compete. If you don't have 5000.00 to 10,000.00 dollars to blow then you should probably not show. Many go to watch. Keeping this in mind my guess is that there is more profit made for the show in selling tickets for seating and the dinner than from the entries. This is just a guess but I doubt that I am very far off. So you put it in the "CORRECT LOCATION" for 5 years and how many spectators do you think you are going to have on year 5? To get to this years national it is going to cost me well over 1500.00 in traveling expenses. That is not counting entry fees handling fees housing or anything else. This is getting me to the herding trial and then on to the show. The way I feel about the national these days is that it is going to become a display of Regional dogs. You keep it in one location and that region's dog will be the ones shown year after year. Do you think that is going to be good for the breed? Do you think that is fair? Do you think that is a National show or a Regional show? > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================