I had one dog who refused to lie down for nails. She fought me something awful about that. Watched her be perfect at the groomers one day and all the sudden it was obvious. It wasn't the nail clipping she was having a fit about, it was the laying down and rolling over. We then worked on getting comfortable in the down just because that's something she had to do once in awhile. As for the nails for the rest of her life I did hers while she stood, picked them up and trimmed like you would on a horse. After that we never had a problem with it. My male was an evil snot the first time I did his. Growling and carrying on like he was going to take a chunk out of me. I took his collar lifted his front end up, called him a few nasty names and told him to knock it off or else, then dropped his front end back on the ground. He lifted his head, looked at me with that "oh dang I screwed up didn't I" look, put his paw in my hand and laid calmly back down. After that the only problem we had with nails was keeping the cat from picking on him while he was down. Sarah Sydney & James at the bridge _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================