In a message dated 9/4/2006 8:32:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wmj1944@xxxxxxxxx writes: Though many people swear by his methods, I always had a vague sense that something wasn't quite right about some of it, especially giving a dog a sideways Kick with your right foot while the dog is at your left side. To me, kicking a dog for any reason, other than to fend off an outright Attack, is morally reprehensible and cannot be justified. Nor can overwhelming a dog with the thing(s) he fears. I have never had to do any of these things to any of my dogs to get them to obey me; I use Love and Praise instead. Hi Steve, I don't think he advocates "kicking". Instead, it is touching the dog with his right foot behind him (dog on the left) to break the dog's attention. The timing has to be just right. If I am speaking to you, you may or may not be focusing on what I'm saying, for example, but if I get in your space, so to speak, and touch you on the shoulder, for that split second, I'll be more likely to get your undivided attention. Unfortunately, there are a lot of dogs with issues out there, and doggy behaviorist only get called as the last resort. You can love and praise all you want, but when you are dealing with a contest of wills it only goes so far. Unfortunately, only so much can be put in a TV segment, but overall, I think his methods are sound and may help the average "Joe" who has lost control, or who perhaps never had it. It never ceases to amaze me what dogs can be a surrogate for. (And the dogs suffer for it.) At least he isn't into shock collars and rolling around on the floor with them! And....I don't have a treadmill, but I don't have a problem with letting them get tired before something they don't like, or maybe something they like too much, lol. In fact, when I have one that gets too strong in the ring, I'll let them out in the AM before a show so they can run some of their "badness" off and go easy! And I've thrown many a tennis ball before going in the ring w/ sheepies:) Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================