[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: NEW STUD DOGS to CT PVT
- From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx" <WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx>, Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:38:05 -0600
All I have to say is that experience is not derived from years in the
breed.whether 3 or 30..so just exactly how, DawnMarie..do you measure
success? by how many lawn chairs one has sat in ringside...by the number of
shows you have attended but not participated in...by the numbers of dogs
you have bought..or how much you have paid for them, but the number of
litters you have or haven't bred..what is the measuring stick for
success..obviously I don't know..like I said people don't want
mentors..they don't care to learn form experience..anyone that has any iota
of knowledge and tries to pass on what they have learned based on
experience gets a flip response..the arm chair critics know more..back when
Bull was alive..he was criticized for lifting..which in fact he did...I
listened...not to the people that liked him..but to the knowledgeable
people who didn't like them. It did;t change my opinion about the
dog..However, it was from his critics that I learned to make
improvments..you learn from your critics...not your fan club..C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: <WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx>
> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx>
> Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/15/2004 4:15:01 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: NEW STUD DOGS to CT PVT
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2004 4:44:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > Most who peddle import lines have
> > no true dog experience..they by 2 dogs from import lines..and breed
> > them...sounds like back yard breeders to me.. so please do not try to
tell
> > me this is not big business...if the bottom fell out of the import
> > market..you would see these so called breeders"who want to better the
> > breed" baling out like rats leaving a sinking ships
>
> first i meant to post this to barb privately lol but since its here i
am
> happy to explain
>
> who is the person who defines "true dog experience" lets start there.
>
> <<<<<yes..this is exactly what it means...and did you buy this bitch with
a
> title..or take her from scratch, put all the hours into her training and
> put the SchH 3 on her...how does one know about training...when one buys
> dogs with titles that someone else has done? I don't get it...to me that
is
> like buying finished dogs..and calling yourself a breeder of champions,
> when really your just a buyer of champions..here is another question..in a
> litter of show potential puppies...maybe only one or 2 meets with
> potential..the rest are pets...in an import litter..I am certain that not
> every puppy has the aptitude for schutzhund..and most all don't have the
> conformation for the show ring...how do the breeders in this country using
> import lines decern which are pet when almost the whole litter looks like
> pets? also...since when does breeding to titled parents guarantee the
> results of the puppies.>>>>>.
>
> Second yes she was purchased as is... i researched her lines back and
forth,
> i have known the working ability in her lines and watched the generations
> scores etc... i know the breeder and she told me all about her, the
owners have
> had her since she was 4 months old so i know exaclty what went into her
for the
> passed 4 years. Now i get to work with this... with her puppies, i will
be
> HOT and hopefully kick A$$ with them :) see a puppy is a crap
shoot
> as you know... i would rather start from scratch with a puppy I
CREATED... at
> least i know what is behind the puppy. Christine, you have to start
> somewhere.. and for those who have lost what they were looking for HAVE
to start
> over... we dont have a breed warden, well some think they are i think...
but who
> in the Am Bred lines is the person to say who is a "breeder" and who is
"high
> quality" and who isnt? you may not mean to sound "above" me and others
with
> only 5 yrs or less in the breed, but you are appearing to be a little ...
how
> can i say it respectfully...
>
> <<<<how does one know about training...when one buys
> dogs with titles that someone else has done? I don't get it...to me that
is
> like buying finished dogs..and calling yourself a breeder of champions,
> when really your just a buyer of champions>>>>
>
> what is the difference with someone having to start all over, with a new
> puppy they bought or a new puppy they bred from a bitch that was already
titled??
> i dont understand what you are getting at. just because someone has
champion
> dogs does not mean they are the Walter Martins of the USA. A good
breeder
> is an open minded breeder, imo, and a non judgement breeder, imo.
>
> <<<<how does one know about training...when one buys
> dogs with titles that someone else has done?>>>>>>
>
> One trains their American dog with top notch trainers, in my instance
lol
> one learns with their titled dog because they STILL WORK THEM. just
because a
> dog has a SchH3 doesnt mean they go lay on the couch and eat bon bons the
> rest of their life. they still train at least once a week... as they are
going
> to be going for their VA ratings and they need to pass the protection
phase to
> get into the Working Class.
>
> sorry this is getting long will hilight in another email
>
> Dawnmarie
>
>
>
>
>
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