In a message dated 10/22/2007 10:17:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rikers123@xxxxxxx writes: I can tell you personally that the man who showed and won the first Amateur Futurity Victor thought he'd gone GV. Does the program need tweaking ? Yeah it does Yeah but Denise no offense meant here & I am thrilled that is was a son of your dog that won!! HUGE CONGRATS!!!! BUT... that MAN.. Rickey White has been showing dogs for you & Melissa & others in the Atlanta Area since before I quit showing & breeding dogs FIVE years ago! (YES, count them we have been gone for FIVE LONG YEARS NOW!!!!) (And as I last remembered he was also picking up at shows for Jimmy and his assistants & HAS finished CH's on other breeds too) So I am still unclear as to how he is an AMATEUR handler??? I would think after you show for a certain amount of time (he has been showing dogs for people OTHER then dogs he owns or co-owns or has personally bred for over 7 years now), or until you have finished (he did finish another dog for Melissa that he neither owns/co-owns or bred) and/or in Rickey's case HAS been LISTED in an All Breed let alone a Specialty Catalog as an AGENT or let's see he HAS WON a group 1 (I believe it was on the brother of your male that he NOW co-owns with you & in Montgomery,AL Right Lee Brown, I think it was under you??)or even a MAJOR then you are NO LONGER an Amateur NO???? Someone correct me PLEASE if I am wrong! I personally feel this is NOT what the Amateur Fut/Mat is supposed to be about ..... I thought it WAS to ENCOURAGE NEW & I mean NEW people to exhibit, not experienced people who are trying to short cut around the System............ What about the other REAL amateurs who didnt have the knowledge about how to present or handle that showed & lost is this FAIR to them??? Guess Patrick should enter next year & handle as an amateur for me huh? <G> Since I have not shown for so long WE must now be an amateur's again right? LOL I think this system needs LOT'S of work to make things fair & to ENCOURAGE NOT DISCOURAGE the NEWBIE'S!!!! Or throw out the Amateur system all together since some have found a way to cheat the system.................... This is in my not so humble, BUT honest opinion!!!!!!! OK, I said my peace now back to lurking again. Patrick & Lorrie Patricelli Sturdevant Shepherds ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================