Years ago the Lapeer County 4-H wanted to prohibit Several of the 4-H kids from competing why because they were also showing in AKC shows and were more skilled than their peers were. Case in point I was asked to Judge a match for my aughter not an easy task as 4 of the entries had to pull because they were nieces, nephew and my daughter. Anyhow my best Jr was very experienced as she's been showing innAKC plus her dog was a Ch finished by her. Even Leann had an edge as she was showing our Basenjis' and had gone RWB from the 9-12 over handlers.. Bob Neiman LBaird1608@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 10/23/2007 1:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: I think the key is to redefine the term amatuer.... LOL That's all I was trying to say. When I heard about the am fut/mat I immediately thought ... wow great new fresh adults and kids showing and a way for new people to stand a fighting chance up against the pro's. Maybe now a good dog can still win somehow & maybe both dog and handler will be recognized in the process. I never meant anything else, but how it might appear to potential newbies who might have seen him in the ring on a regular basis. Lorrie Patricelli Sturdevant Shepherds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================