Hi Evan, I showed 4 dogs in the Amateur Futurity. One was a BOS MW Futurity bitch the year before and finished her championship before two, one was Reserve in the regular futurity the same weekend and the other took a 4 point major at a specialty under John Bemont shortly after. I don't call that dumbing down . The young man that showed the dogs had not ever shown dogs before this year and he is hooked. Ann ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 10/23/2007 11:06:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: O.K. Lorrie, are you suggesting that we stop the Amateur F/M or are you suggesting that we redefine Amateur? If we need to redefine amateur then what do you suggest as the new requirements? I ask this as a member of the Futurity Committee. I am not a fan of the Amateur Futurity/Maturity. It was to make those who could not compete at the regular Futurity. I feel this is dumbing down our shows, and was the wrong way to go. I have only seen it one year and it dragged out our show for over two hours. It made a few people happy, and didn't seem worth it to me. Evan Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Ann Home of Sel Ex Ch Mechanical Bull and #1 Dam I've Got It All. Breeder-owner of 64 champions and 18 ROMs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================