Lorrie and all. I think the rules of the amateur fut, stated that anyone could handle if they had not received compensation a year prior to the regional amateur event.Based on these rules, if Steve had not accepted compensation the year prior he would have also been considered an "amateur" The status of amateur should be based on money, not on dogs finished or if you have finished your own dogs or even if you have handled for others for free and have finished their dogs, if no money has ever been accepted, then by definition the handler is an amateur..If the rules need to be modified to state that the amateur has never finished his own dog, ever put points on a dog and never showed another dog, even if it were free, then petition the fut. chair for a change in the rules.Personally I think those type of rules would be very stringent.Bottom line is, if the handler of the Am. fut Victor met the current criteria., lets not rain on his parade! Can't we all be happy for someone who was ecstatic over his and the dog's win!!! Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: <LBaird1608@xxxxxxx> > To: <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 10/23/2007 1:05:56 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: My questions & take on the Ameteur Fut/Mat & Handlers..... > > > > In a message dated 10/23/2007 1:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: > I think the key is to redefine the term amatuer.... > > LOL That's all I was trying to say. When I heard about the am fut/mat I > immediately thought ... wow great new fresh adults and kids showing and a way > for new people to stand a fighting chance up against the pro's. Maybe now a > good dog can still win somehow & maybe both dog and handler will be recognized > in the process. > > I never meant anything else, but how it might appear to potential newbies > who might have seen him in the ring on a regular basis. > > > Lorrie Patricelli > Sturdevant Shepherds > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================