[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: My Puppies and what I have learned about K9 Herpes Virus
- From: Michelle Graham <vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, "showgsd-l: freelists.org" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:44:05 -0500
Is this something you can test for before breeding a bitch? If so, when?
Thanks for any infor...
--
Michelle
veni, vedi, "ViciSheps"
home of RBIF CH Vici's Wind Walker, OFA'd
Am & Can CH Vici's Abilene V ShadowValley
CH Vici's Windsong
---- ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I had a litter in the late 80's and mom only had two puppies, both gorgeous.
> When they were ten weeks old I took mom to a repro vet to inquire about how
> to get more then a two puppy litter. The vet told me that she had herpes and
> any puppies she had would die and that I should euthanize my whole kennel as
> it was very contagious. I told the vet I had two healthy ten week old puppies
> out of her at home and she told me it wasn't possible. They had never shown
> any sign of being sick. I was in a panic and when I got home, I called my
> regular vet, who told me not to worry and the other dogs would be fine. I
> bred this bitch three more time. She never had huge litters, but she became
> the dam of four champions and four register of merits. Even the experts
> aren't always right, but I was told that after the first litter it is never a
> problem again. I have never had a dog diagnosed with it since, so obviously
> it isn't very contagious either.
> Ann Home of Sel Ex # 6 Ch Maxwell, Sel Ex Ch Gilley and #1 Dam Muggles -
> owner/breeder of 68 champions and 19 ROMs
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] My Puppies and what I have learned about K9 Herpes
> Virus
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 3:17 PM
>
> First off - thank you to all about their words of encouragement on my litter.
> Unfortunately, I think the outcome is fairly bleak at this point. We have
> three
> left right now and mom said she can hear the signal "rattling" in
> their breathing. The temperature is close to 100 degrees in the box and they
> are
> on liquid clavamox, yet it appears the whole litter will depart this world.
> Only 16 days old, healthy otherwise, pretty spots, beautiful eyes and they all
> heard!
>
> Now, for the education - what we have learned:
>
> 1. Tess was leased bitch - probably a carrier for Herpes, but no antibodies
> for
> it, so she probably had an outbreak during whelping due to stress. Therefore,
> the pups got it.
> 2. Very few pups actually die from Herpes - they die from lots of other
> things,
> but not often this. The initial results came back on the necropsies and the U
> of
> MN Vet school is 99.8% sure this is indeed herpes. Our Repro vet had only seen
> three cases in 30 years and in all three cases (prior to ours) the entire
> litter
> passed on.
> 3. Tess will now have antibodies and will not have problems of this nature
> with
> any other litter - whether it be here or at her breeder/owners home.
> 4. Next worry would be about remaining pups if any survive. Several people
> mentioned to me and then mom heard it from the Reproductive vet that many
> Herpes
> pups then have to be euthanized at 10 - 18 months due to internal failures,
> usually liver. A friend of ours had a run in with this about 2 years ago
> (though
> denies it) and lost over half the litter. They saved 4, but one has many
> health
> problems (about 16 months) and will have to be euthanized probably. Necropsy
> on
> puppy body was herpes.
> 5. Argus, the sire is fine and no other dogs will be affected.
>
> All in all, just one of those things that happens and no reason to be
> paranoid.
> At this point, we both hope that the other three do pass on, Tess can come to
> my
> house to dry up (and for a change of scenery as she is awful depressed) and
> then
> be shipped home.
>
> Just a very sad situation and this makes it very hard to be a breeder.... I
> sit
> here wonder... What if.... But as the vet said, there is nothing to prevent it
> necessarily, though one vet tech mentioned Lysine on bitches before they are
> bred and until after pups are weaned. Lysine is used for Feline Herpes Virus.
>
> So there is your education for the day.. Thank you for all the thoughts and
> suggestions!
> Jess M.Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC,
> TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC
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