judges who take the time to watch until some begin to tire or break down are perceived as "indecisive", etc., etc. When you see a show running late you also hear some judge-bashing at its best. Jamie Paul adds... Or Judges who do "excessive gaiting" Jamie... I've had handlers say we wouldn't enter under such a Judge. That's when I said...OK...give me what I want in 2 or 3 tries and no excessive gaiting. That came from not being able to see the dog as I requested...loose, easy, and at the dogs best speed. Seems like we're damned if we do or damned if we don't. Paul PS...if any of you have any left over Turkey, dressing, some sweet potatoes and apples...I did a recipe with puff pastry dough and ground Emmenthaler Swiss cheese that is to die for. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================