I'm sure it wasn't meant as a formula. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/27/2010 11:35:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Ok, since that is a true statement, was it meant to be used as a quick fix for movement or as a breeding tool? Was the 3rd generation spook suppose to be on the sire's side or the dam's? Taking this a step further (no pun intended) what would happen if the spook was on both sides and then line-bred or in-bred? I agree with you that sound dogs can get bored and not perform. And yes it stings to be beat by an "unsound dog". Lyn Chernak ~ CherLyn Shepherds ~ Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC Ulric vom Kriegerhaus, RN, TC, CGC ____________________________________ From: "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 9:52:38 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Movement vs temperament I head it first hand...Lamar said that. Actually, he said it in a few different ways. He'd say a spook showed better than a confident dog. In fact, we have it on tape somewhere... I guess there's some merit...I've had and have confident dogs who love to show. I've also had confident dogs who got bored and didn't "perform" (i.e. race around as if the devil himself was after them) get beat by dogs you'd need a butterfly net to catch when the class was over. That kind of loss stings...BUT, I have to live with my dogs and when I breed a litter to keep one back for myself, the dogs I don't keep end up on some child's bed...so they need to be wrapped tight. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/27/2010 7:19:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: Since I did not hear this first hand, I will not mention names. What I did hear was, that back about 20 years ago a well known handler had said that in order to get a better mover, every 3rd generation you need to put a spook into your breeding program. My question is; if this was actually said and practiced, did this theory prove to be true? Was the impact on movement worth the impact on temperament? Lyn Chernak ~ CherLyn Shepherds ~ Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC Ulric vom Kriegerhaus, RN, TC, CGC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - _http://showgsd.org_ (http://showgsd.org/) NATIONAL BLOG - _http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/_ (http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/) ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================