[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Movement vs temperament
- From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:35:20 -0500
I haven't seen the Lamar tapes, but would love to at some point, just from a
dog persons point of view.
However, having dealt with and having trained and finished a few spooks in Dals
(many years ago, I might add), if indeed Lamar said something along that line,
I can understand it - particularily in a smart breed that bores easy.. Most of
the spooks I finished keyed into doubling much better and trained spooks work
on the philosophy of being more tuned into their handlers than the world around
them (presuming they are trainable to begin with). They are also a a little
driven by fear..
However, that being said, I am embarrassed to see them in my breeds, hate it
when they win and it's a hard trait to remove from your pedigrees and for
Pete's sake, don't double up because you'll regret it!
Jess Mac
Paisley Dals and the GSD Girls
> From: pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Movement vs temperament
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:09:21 -0400
>
> I seriously doubt that Lamar meant people to use spooks in their breeding
> programs.
>
> Quite a few of us have copies of the "Lamar tapes." He does talk
> about spooks on those tapes, but I don't remember him advocating using them
> in a breeding program. He also says that any spook, any dog, could be
> trained to pass a temperament test, but that that wouldn't mean the dog had
> a good temperament.
>
> It's very possible that Lamar didn't say "never use a spook," which I'm
> sure has been mis-translated into "use a spook".....in fact, it's likely he
> made some comment about how using a spook (without saying "do it") might
> make the next generation appear to have more "attitude" -- I'd have to dig
> the tapes out and watch them again (for the thousandth time).
>
> Whether or not you were one of the man's fans, you have to give him
> credit as a true student of the breed who also loved the breed...personally
> I don't remember him being fond of spooky dogs for any purpose at all.
>
> Peggy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyn Chernak" <cherlyngsd@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> > Ok, since that is a true statement, was it meant to be used as a quick fix
> > for movement or as a breeding tool? Was the 3rd generation spook suppose
> > to be on the sire's side or the dam's? Taking this a step further (no pun
> > intended) what would happen if the spook was on both sides and then
> > line-bred or in-bred?
> > I agree with you that sound dogs can get bored and not perform. And yes
> > it stings to be beat by an "unsound dog".
> >
> _______________________________
> > From: "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx"
> > I head it first hand...Lamar said that. Actually, he said it in a few
> > different ways. He'd say a spook showed better than a confident dog. In
> > fact, we have it on tape somewhere...
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