Hey Jeff, Well said. Couldn't have been said any better. ____Louie -----Original Message----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:07 PM To: pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Movement - My Take - Maybe Controversial for Thoughts Peggy, I don't know about from the center of the ring, but coming from someone that has to show these animals to the best of my ability -?a small ring does not showcase a good mover's attributes.? So, you may be able to evaluate movement in any ring, but what you are seeing may not be the best some animals have to offer because their movement is being distorted by taking 2 steps turn, 2 steps turn and the handler having to control this motion and guide them through 4 very quick corners.?? Do this at an inside all breed on mats and you have even more complications.? Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 1:17 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Movement - My Take - Maybe Controversial for Thoughts Yes, a well made dog can navigate a smaller ring...and yes, it is much more thrilling to see one move with full extension in a big ring like the National ring-- BUT...if you need a big ring to judge movement, you need educating.. And there is the question of type... which doesn't change from ring to ring.........but then, we will always have with us those who know neither type nor movement.........some of those are exhibitors, some are breeders, and yes, some are judges. AND, what's more, all three of those categories are composed of human beings...which means that some days they are a little "off," or even a little "put off." Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Yes a correct moving and long striding German Shepherd Dog can move > correctly in > a small ring Jessica .....just as they can in their kennels or pens or > small yards. > HOWEVER.....where is the "joy" in seeing the length of stride and correct > precision > balance and beautiful topline and ground covering stride when they are in > the same > sized ring that Corgi's or Shelties are Judged in? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================