I am confused on another point. I feel confident that I understand the standard but......All the past breed standard illustrations from my old german shepherd books show a much more moderate dog but the dogs I see in the ring look more angulated. In fact, my old german shepherd books actually show a much more square dog as representing the breed standard. In addition, the dogs movement in youtube videos from the different decades clearly show a different style of movement in the ring. So, my question is...why the change in movement over time and why has movement become so important? I mean I understand that everyone wants a clean moving dog with a nice stride but it seems, from my inexperienced viewpoint, that movement is the MAIN emphasis on the german shepherd today. If we have one breed standard that has always existed than why don't dogs look and move the same now as they did 40, 50, or 60 years ago? Breed standards are not suppose to "evolve" or change, correct? Isn't that why there is a breed standard to begin with? I don't think we should ever focus solely on one trait but view the whole dog completely. I have no problem with a dog being a clean mover and correct with an effortless stride but I don't think the dog MUST BE an extreme mover in order to do well. Is that really the standard? I mean, when did extreme movement become the benchmark for what one considers a quality dog? At what point in the timeline did movement and conformation standards change? I mean they both must go hand in hand, correct? I am asking honestly. Can anyone pinpoint a time frame? I mean has movement always been the be all, end all? Show dogs from the past clearly moved and looked differently and, yet, they represented the breed standard. My confusion continues...case in point. Breeders tell me that the german shepherd has to have this "huge" effortless movement because it is the most efficient for herding sheep all day long. However, I have studied the herding lines extensively and have been in contact with numerous herding breeders (working farms not trial dogs) and there is a true disconnect. People say the gsd must move huge to be able to herd sheep effortlessly all day but all the real working sheepdogs (who actually work on farms and are not just titling) do not move like the showdogs! That is why I am confused. So, if I breed a dog that fits the current breed standard will it change? Sarah ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================