Karen,I noticed you responded to my post. Just for clarification, I wasn't referring to GSD's, perhaps I should have explained. I meant, for other breeds that want to jet around across the country that will fit in a 400 or smaller crate, then shipping may not be an issue.However for GSD's that have to typically be sent in 500 crates, shipping is a REAL issue. Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: Karen Rogers <windyhillsgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 2/11/2008 6:56:18 PM > Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: More Batty Ideas > > Very few dogs, if any, can be flown in a 400 or smaller crate. The last > time I tried to ship a 65 lb bitch in a 500 crate on Continental, I was told > the crate was too small. I was told that if the dogs ears touch the top of > the crate when it sits down, the crate is too small. The airline wanted me > to buy extenders that added height to the crate for an additional $100.00 > fee. Total cost for the one way flight From Houston to California would > have been nearly $600.00. I argued with the agent til I thought they were > going to have me arrested but they finally took my bitch. It is not as easy > as you think to fly with a dog. Karen, Windyhills GSD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Jessica MacMillan" <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:36 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: More Batty Ideas > > > > Jessica, thank you for the info. As for Purina Farms, I have been there, > > and to those aren't opposed to going there, there shouldn't be any > > opposition to going back to the Kentucky Horse Park, at least although the > > facility is not climate controlled it is an indoor arena and not outside. > > In the past, there have been quite a few who stated that the National is > > their vacation time. I completely understand, however, times they are a > > chang'in and you can fly anywhere without a dog and stay anywhere without > > a > > dog, and you might actually be able to fly many places with a dog in a > > crate sized 400 and under. However, flying with a 500 crate presents a > > whole different set of issues and it could be that we need to rethink our > > position on the National being a vacation, and reprioritizing what we are > > attending the national for.This year, we took in the sites in Colorado and > > really enjoyed it. We probably would not have gone to Colorado if it > > weren't for the National. On the flip side, if I didn't have dogs, and > > wasn't spending money showing dogs, I would probably have more money and > > time to vacation and go to and fro as I wished and maybe would have went > > to > > Colorado for a real vacation, spent the week in a lodge in the mountains > > and not worry whether or not the hotel was dog friendly or if there was > > enough grass to exercise them on..I am not the most adaptable person in > > the > > world. I hate change and have always prescribed to "if it ain't broke, > > don't fix it." I don't like airlines making my life more difficult, and I > > hate that even the most simple of tasks seems to be a battle.However,we > > all > > have to be willing to make some concessions, and learn to adapt to these > > unpleasant changes. If that possibly means rotating between a couple of > > sites, then so be it. Christine > > > > hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Steve and Christine Grainger > > WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Date: 2/11/2008 1:42:52 PM > >> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: More Batty Ideas > >> > >> First off - sorry about the previous post - I meant to delete - not > > send.. SHEESH.. > >> > >> Christine - you asked about our venue situation for dals. > >> > >> Here is what we currently have: > >> Conformation (Regular Classes only) - 2/3 days > >> Sweeps & Futurity - 1 day a piece > >> Obedience (Regular and Rally) - 2 days > >> Agility (All levels) - 1 day > >> Tracking (both TDs & X tracks) - 1 day > >> Road Trials - 25 or 50 mile endurance on horseback with dogs - 1 day. > >> > >> As you can see, we have as many venues as GSDs and showsites are a > > constant battle. > >> > >> I am not quite sure what the present situation is after Lawrence, KS, but > > I suspect that we may end up going back to the rotation system for a > > while... While lots of the membership likes to go to the same place every > > year, there are enough people who use it as vacation time who really want > > to see other parts of the country. I suspect though, as time goes by, we > > will end up coming back to the "three year" deal. > >> > >> As for Fort Mitchell, they LOVE dog clubs and have an awesome facility > > for our needs and there is access to the tracking sites, road trials, > > etc - > > I suspect that they would not be available in the three year time. One of > > the discussions that has come up is booking Purina Farms. Personally, I > > have not been there, but everyone who has (and I think the GSDCA was there > > just a couple of years ago?), says it is outstanding - and they have > > invited us to come too. > >> > >> Shipping is going to get tougher and tougher I am afraid and dal people > > are very aware of it - 400 vari kennels are as hard to get on a plane as > > 500's are these days. We have trouble shipping bitches to stud dogs > > (without paying for a seat) and of course the airlines are just getting > > more uncooperative (thank you airlines and animal rights folks!).. We also > > have to consider the embargos that run from May through October most > > years, > > that makes it almost impossible for Nationals to be held during the > > non-school year (poor teachers)... > >> > >> I have a friend who is on the board of directors for the GRCA (Golden > > Retriever Club of America) and they are in the exact same boat as all of > > us > > and I know the Flat-Coat club also has the problem. > >> > >> Long and the short of it - if people REALLY want to come to the National, > > they can usually figure out a way to get there - the hardest is when you > > have that beautiful puppy can't figure out how to get HIM there. > >> > >> Jess Mac > >> Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) > >> & The Shepherd Girls > >> Member of: > >> DCA > >> GTCDC > >> GSDCA > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. 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