In a message dated 12/12/05 5:44:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Norma asks"HOW MANY FOLKS REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS "NO" Herding Group? I remember showing in the Working group, and was so thankful when they moved the sheperd to the new Herding group. It just seemed smaller and with more chances to place. Then I realized I was still not winning the groups. I do however, always go to the front, and wonder who first started that tradition, (going in first with the German shepherd)? Evan (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================