>Say, I had my heart set on > finishing a dog I knew was mediocre( which would only happen if I were > desperate)..I would drag him to BFE, someplace like Montana..Idaho or > South > Dakota..where it takes 7 dogs to make a major.. and try to get him > finished > with competition that could be equally as mediocre However you see I would > recognize he is mediocre..C.Grainger I certainly can't speak for this scenario, because I've never been to those shows up there. I can only reflect on the circuits I travel in on the left coast.... Takes a few dogs out here to get a major and the quality is usually not too bad - and I'm speaking specialty (qualifying my perspective....). Met a pretty nice dog some time back with 19 points and no majors. Don't think he made it... There are champions that I think are better and those I think are less than best. I suppose it all depends on ones perspective. If you look at the breed as a whole - then those who achieve a Championship have accomplished something worthy of praise. If you look at the better show dogs in the specialty world, then your measurements narrow. I applaud those who have the kind of breeding program that can have a very narrow gauge. They are certainly the backbone of our sport. And yet, I see some who have great success and dogs that win locally and nationally and at the nationals who applaud the champions as they come in. I'm with Paul on this one! Rose colored glasses again..... I think it's genetic. Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================